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Old 02-11-2012, 09:17 AM   #21
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Tons of good info in here! Thabks for all the replys guys. But i still havent got my particular answer... to be more specific. I ate bacon and eggs. I have no doub that eggs are great. I am curious on the bacon though... some say its a health nightmare, some say its great. I even cooked my eggs in the bacon grease. Did i do my body a favor or a disservice by upping the fat content of the meal? (Excluding the fact that my bacon wasnt "grass fed"). do they even do grass fed pork? The eggs were free range, cage free
Unless you have pre or normal hypertension, nothing in the bacon is going to hurt you. Bacon is rich in saturated fats and sodium. Saturated fats are essential to living and sodium isnt terrible provided you drink enough water. I find that I am happier and over eat less when I consume more saturated fats. Plus it tastes awesome.

edit: I eat bacon and eggs nearly every morning and I am currently cutting. The more fats I eat, the better I feel while in a calorie deficit.
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From my research it's sodium-potassium balance that is most important. I eat a high sodium diet but also make sure I eat foods that are rich in potassium.

If you Google "Blood Pressure Sodium Potassium Balance" you can find a wealth of info on this.
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High content of probiotics for digestion, sir. But leqve out the fruit and go greek yogurt.

As far as fats. john meadows consumes high fats, including tons of whole eggs, beef, and butter. Among other tngs. The trick is his butter and beef come fro grass fed cows. He also maintains aeound 8% body fat year round, despite consuming high fat and high cholesterol foods.
Probiotics aren't necessary for digestion. Unless there's some sort of medical condition, the colon does just fine with its own bacterial flora. Claims that yoghurt help digestion are just marketing hype.

As for John Meadows: I didn't see any claim on the thread that fat intake was related to becoming fat. That aside, I'm puzzled as to how eating fats from grass-fed cows, specifically, has any impact at all on his 8% body fat, year-round. How does that work, then? A gram of fat has the same calorific value if it came from a happy healthful cow or one kept in a basement and fed on steroids and cardboard.

If he ate 1500 more calories a day from grass fed cows, he wouldn't maintain 8% bodyfat for long.
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Tons of good info in here! Thabks for all the replys guys. But i still havent got my particular answer... to be more specific. I ate bacon and eggs. I have no doub that eggs are great. I am curious on the bacon though... some say its a health nightmare, some say its great. I even cooked my eggs in the bacon grease. Did i do my body a favor or a disservice by upping the fat content of the meal? (Excluding the fact that my bacon wasnt "grass fed"). do they even do grass fed pork? The eggs were free range, cage free
As I said earlier, if you control every other factor and replace saturated fats (like those in bacon) with healthful ones, the current best evidence is that there is a modest increase in life expectancy.

You can't really go on anecdotal evidence (e.g. 'I feel better when I eat bacon' So what? Lots of people feel better when they smoke) or comments about needing fat and sodium (again: so what? It's like telling someone on the Titanic that the body needs water).

However, you have to view it within the context of your whole diet and lifestyle. Yes, bacon is a high-sodium, high saturated fat food, and there is strong evidence linking both of those with early mortality. But it's not as simple as that. As Steve quite rightly says, potassium intake can help redress some of the problems of a high sodium diet. If you maintain lower bodyfat and visceral fat (as you obviously do, from your avatar), then that's a massive plus too.



And moderation in all things. I love bacon, and a life without bacon - even a long one - would be scarcely worth living.
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Soooo,

The next time i cook up 6 eggs and a half pound of bacon, i should:
A- throw the bacon grease out and tamp the extra grease off my bacon.
Or
B- Cook the eggs in the bacon grease like last time.

Only reason i'm being so picky about the answer is i will be eating this meal a lot as i will be getting all the free range cage free eggs i can pack down ( family raises chickens) and you cant eat eggs without bacon

I could care less taste wise if i dump the grease or eat it...
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I will stand firmly by my point...the move to a diet filled with known unhealthy processed ingredients and additives is at the root cause of most of society's modern health issues.

I disagree. Processed foods, grass fed vs grain fed, glycemic indexes, etc. are all really insignificant in comparison to being over-weight, caused by excessive caloric intake. There are a lot of things that can be argued in either direction when it comes to what is healthy or adequate intake, but one thing that cannot be argued is all of the health problems and predispositions caused by simply being over-weight (and more often, obese).

There is nothing that research has ever proven to have a stronger relationship to CHD like inflammation.

And for whatever it may be worth to you, as I am aware of our nutritional differences, I don't like Weston Price. I've been on his site and read several articles from there. At first I came across some things that I had read about in the past, and it seemed like good information. Then the more I read, the more I found out that the guy was a quack.


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As an outsider who has read these debates I have to say that at times in these threads it appears we are arguing for or against a processed food diet and I am at a loss as to why. I am not trying to troll or start trouble but rather speak as honestly as I can.

The argument shouldn't really pertain to natural or processed foods. Processed foods will have very little to virtually no negative health impacts as long as the points of general health have been met.

Maintain a healthy body-weight.
Eat fruits and veggies.
Consume adequate protein.
Get the bulk of your food from unprocessed sources.

This is very simplified, but it would keep you considerably healthier than the average person.

Generally, processed foods have very little to offer in terms of valued nutrition and are calorically dense. So when the majority of your intake comes from processed foods, you're typically left with consuming excessive calories and malnutrition (in terms of micronutrient and often macronutrient intake).

With all this being said, if you're living within your caloric means and following the basic principles behind a healthy diet; having a cookie or ice cream or whatever, isn't going to make the slightest difference in overall health.

As all other things in life, moderation will always be key.

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Soooo,

The next time i cook up 6 eggs and a half pound of bacon, i should:
A- throw the bacon grease out and tamp the extra grease off my bacon.
Or
B- Cook the eggs in the bacon grease like last time.

Only reason i'm being so picky about the answer is i will be eating this meal a lot as i will be getting all the free range cage free eggs i can pack down ( family raises chickens) and you cant eat eggs without bacon

I could care less taste wise if i dump the grease or eat it...

Personally, I would go with A. Free range and cage free and all the nonsense surrounding it is nice, but immensely overrated. Long story short; take fish oil.

Contrary to what I see posted on various forums, a rampant intake of saturated fat is not healthy. Context of the individual has a lot of barring on whether or not it is healthy for you to consume *higher* amounts of saturated fats.

I'm not suggesting to steer clear of saturated fats at all costs, I'm just saying limit them. Eat leaner cuts of meats and leaner meats in general. Consume more turkey, chicken and fish. People need more variety in all aspects of their diet; meat selection is no different.
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Processed foods,
This might be the only forum on the net that has debates FOR processed foods diets.

Processed foods diets go hand in hand with weight gain and poor health. In the long run they are not mutually exclusive.



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I don't understand what this means. The guy merely found that more natural, unprocessed diets revealed better overall health. Did you read his book? Set aside the Weston Price foundation and anything else you might be stapling to Weston Price and simply stick to his premise.

I mean no disrespect, but what are we trying to achieve here?

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Which is caused heavily by processed food, heavy junk carb-centric diets. Refined carbs are the prime offender.
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Since saturated fat intake is related to testosterone levels, I'll get plenty, thank you very much. Same with cholesterol.
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From my research it's sodium-potassium balance that is most important. I eat a high sodium diet but also make sure I eat foods that are rich in potassium.

If you Google "Blood Pressure Sodium Potassium Balance" you can find a wealth of info on this.
The ratio of sodium intake to potassium intake within the diet has a much greater effect on BP than sodium (or potassium) alone. The Skinny on Sodium Intake: Is Salt Bad for You? | Eric Cressey | High Performance Training, Personal Training
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