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by BendtheBar 11-02-2011, 08:26 AM

Why I Hate the Deadlift

by Dave Tate

Why I Hate the Deadlift

The Deadlift

The first and simple reason why I hate the deadlift is that Iíve always sucked at it and making gains on it was the slowest process in the world. Actually the only real time I made decent gains was when I stopped doing them altogether.

I never hurt myself (seriously) doing the deadlift and was scared to do them (how can you be scared picking something up?) and they really arenít that hard to do. Sure, if you do 20-rep sets they will kick your ass, but so will 20 reps sets on just about any compound movement. My point is that there really isnít any real reason why I hate the deadlift so much, but I do.

Seriously

To me, the deadlift was just that thing you had to do in a meet before you could go to dinner. I was NOT one of those ďthe meet doesnít start until the bar hits the floor guys.Ē To me, most meets NEVER started on time and it sure as hell wasnít when the deadlift began. To regress, deadlifting in a meet wasnít that bad, it still sucked, but it was a means to a total and I thought that was always the most important thing. What I pulled was always more determined by what I wanted to total than by breaking a deadlift PR. Toward the later years of my career, I knew I could pull between 700-740 pounds on any given day, if I trained the lift or if I didnít. What I ended up pulling was based on how I finished the squat and bench.

Training the deadlift was much worse. The BEST thing about when I trained at Westside was that we didnít deadlift often (many times not once for months). We did pin pulls, close stand yoke bar low box squat, TONS of goodmornings, and special movements, such as reverse hypers and glute ham raises. Not only did these increase my squat (and deadlift), they also provided a means to NOT deadlift and that was AWESOME!

No More

Now that Iím retired from the sport, I donít care if I ever pull another deadlift in my life. I donít write my own programs, but I will admit if I see the deadlift or pin pull in the program I WILL replace it Ė even if I have to do three extra movements for 12 extra sets, I would much rater do that then a few sets of deadlifting.

I CANíT stand the deadlift!

That ONE day

There was ONE day where I almost liked the deadlift, but as usual with the deadlift, that got shot down. I have no idea why, but at a local Ohio meet back in 2002, I pulled my 650-pound opener and it was easy (it always was). I then jumped to 720 pounds for a PR total. Normally I would call it a day and pass the third, but the 720 was really easy. This isnít ďpowerlifer talkĒ it was seriously really easy. I called for 770 pounds on my third attempt for a 30 pound PR. The bar flew up and right before lockout without even slowing down, my right hand popped open and the bar hit the floor.

At this point, I did the infamous ďhand stare.Ē Youíve seen it. You may have actually done it. This is when you drop a pull and look at your hands like WTF just happened.

I was totally confused and did the hand stare for what seemed to be 20 minutes until Louie finally walked over and said, ďYour pulls looked really good.Ē I asked him what the hell happened to my grip. His answer, while classic Louie, just made me hate the deadlift more, ďYou were never strong enough to have a grip problem before.Ē


Why

At this point you may be asking why Iím writing this article. Here is the honest answer: we are having a Day of the Deadlift Sale the same day this article is launching, so it canít help to have this extra promotion. Since Iím writing about something I canít stand, the least you can do is check out the sale. Hahaha Ė wait! Iím serious.

I also figured if Iím going to do this, I want to write something that will actually help you all. Iíve been in the sport for a very long time and taught hundreds (if not thousands) of people how to deadlift. For many people it is really as simple as just bending over and picking it up, for others it is a real struggle to teach them how to pull effectively and correctly. Unlike the squat and bench where deep detailed instruction seems to work best, deadlift instruction seems to work best with very simple verbal cues.

This gave me the idea to send an e-mail to Team eliteftsô and ask them for their top three verbal cues when teaching the deadlift. At the end of their tips, I posted mine with a couple videos that I think might help you out.

These tips are listed as Sumo or Conventional. Some of the team provided just how they pull, while others provided tips for each.

Mike Robertson

Sumo

* Get your heels underneath the bar
* Sit down, push your knees out to keep shoulders over the bar
* Tight lats/pull the bar BACK

Zane Getting

Sumo

* Get your hips low
* Arch hard
* Take the slack out of the bar and get your whole body tight
* Spread your knees hard
* Spread the floor

Robert Ihlenfeldt

Conventional

* Drop your ass at the start of the pull to create more leverage
* Keep your hips down
* Donít quit on it

Vincent Dizenzo

Both

* For any style-deadlift, flex your triceps while pulling (this helps prevent bicep tears)
* The hook grip is an excellent way to protect your biceps and back. However, you need to condition your hands for this, especially your thumbs. It gets better every week. Be patient.
* If you are riddled with injuries and still want to pull, try a trap bar.

Sumo

* Get and keep your hips flexible.

Marc Bartley

Both

* This applies to either doing 75 to 80 percent work. Ease the weight off the floor. Once it leaves the floor, about two to three inches, then apply as much speed as possible.
* Overextend at the top by trying to get the shoulders behind your waist as fast as you can. The bar will ride the legs and distribute the load better. Squeeze the UPPER glutes at the top to lock the quads in and limit bent-knee lockouts.

Sumo

* Going back to easing it off the floor, a way to know if youíre getting the legs and glutes in it, once it comes off the floor, if you are holding the best leverages, you literally FEEL the weights drop into the legs, hips and glutes.

Molly Edwards

Both

* Setup is key
* Get one big breath before grabbing the bar. So many of us lose our air.
* Use your ass from the floor

Clint Darden

Conventional

Disclaimer: Iím such a non-technical lifter and still learning, so my thoughts may be completely wrong.

* Push your abs out as far as you can to take up as much space as they can vertically. When my abs push out, they also force my chest up and keep my lower back from rounding, which is important under heavy loads. The stronger your abs, are the more weight they can hold. I think of it as a turtle shell that runs from my nipples to my nads.
* DO NOT STOP PULLING! A lot of amateur lifters miss their pull because they thought that it was hard and mentally decided to quit pulling. Lifts CAN be finished! Itís just like every grip event, you have to tell yourself that you will NOT quit. The only way that I will stop is if it simply falls out of my hands or drags me back down to the floor.

Al Caslow

Both

* Spread your knees out to get your crotch close to bar
* Arch hard and pull your chest up
* Spread the floor
* Start pulling your head back
* Be patient while driving off the floor

Brian Carroll

Conventional

* Slam your heels down and head back to initiate bar movement
* Keep the bar in to you as close as possible (you may bleed)
* Squeeze your glutes to ensure pushing your hips through at top

Matt Rhodes

Conventional

* Pull the slack out of the bar
* Donít jerk the bar off the floor
* Push your feet through the floor and drive your head up
* Set your feet in the most powerful position for your body

David Kirschen

Sumo

* Pull yourself into your arch before breaking the bar off the floor
* Keep your lower back tight, but your upper beck relaxed
* Keep your arms straight, do not bend your elbows
* Lean back to the point that you would fall if the weight was not there to counter balance you

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Harry Selkow

Conventional

* Keep your head in the neutral position. Neither up nor down, but straight ahead.
* Keep the spine ďorganizedĒ
* Lean back into the heels and add tension to the glutes and hamstrings
* Scrape the shins and then throw the hips into the bar like you mean to do on a Saturday Night

Sumo

* Like in those ballet classes you got kicked out of, Pliť. Push your knees out along the bar.
* Arch hard
* Sink back into the heels
* Put tension in your hamstrings and glutes and GO!
* Dip
* Grip
* Rip the skin from the shins
* For a great deadlift, you have to have ďskin in the gym, for the win.Ē

Josh Bryant

Both

* Visualize yourself completing the lift ahead of time. The lift is done before you approach the platform.
* Speed is your cue as you approach the bar
* Commit to the pull!

Julia Ladewski

Both

* Pull the slack out of the bar

Sumo

* Arch your lower back, but donít shrug your shoulders.
* Keep your hips down, but donít sit too low. Find the point where youíre in a good position, but still get some pop off the floor.

Jo Jordan

Sumo

* Drive down through your heels
* Pull up and back
* Drive your head back as you pull

Matt Kroc

Sumo

* Try to push out to the sides with your feet versus down, ďspread the floor.Ē
* Open your groin as much as possible to keep your hips in close and improve your leverage.

Conventional

* At the start of the pull, use your quads and try to squat the bar off the floor to get it moving quickly, which will keep you in a good position leverage-wise for the lockout.
* Keep your ass down and head up
* After taking the slack out of the bar, rip it off the floor.
* Grip the bar with your hands directly under your shoulders to get the maximum length from your arms and to decrease the distance you have to pull the bar.

CJ Murphy

Both

* Flex your lats and tris when taking slack out (tri -lat tuck)
* Put your weight on your heels/big toe up
* Drive your hips into bar once it passes the kneesĒ**** the bar.Ē
* Fall back at lockout

Steve Goggins

Both

* Get your head up at the beginning and keep it there the entire time until you finish the lift.
* Make your arms long and relax your shoulders.
* Pull on your heels, but keep your feet flat and toes down.
* Explode but donít jerk!

Conventional

* Pull the bar into your legs as close and as hard as you can. Try to drag the skin off your legs.

Matt Ladewski

Both

* If youíre having grip issues at lockout, you may be pushing the bar out in front of you when your hand is against your leg. Try widening your hand spacing.
* Donít be afraid to use straps in training. It will allow you to focus on the pull without the worry of your grip failing. It will also allow you to work your back evenly.

Conventional

* If you donít have a problem with lockout and miss off the floor, open your feet up and push your knees out to the side.
* When you pull, drive your heels into the ground as if youíre pulling yourself into the ground.
* Donít try to lift the bar straight up! Try to pull the bar back into you.

Sumo

* When setting your grip, use your elbows to push out your knees before you pull.

Adam Driggers

Both

* Have a training partner flatten the bar before you pull. When the bar is loaded, sometimes itís left with a bow when it is let down from loading. If that bow is there when you begin the pull, it can cause an unusual recoil.
* Keep your head up, your chest bowed out and your shoulder blades together.
* At the top, when the weight slows, squeeze your glutes like itís your first night in prison. This really helps the last few inches to lockout.
* Buy a Metal Pro Deadlift suit. Iím sorry, sometimes I panderÖ

Hannah Johnson

Both

* ďSquat the weight upĒ
* Thrust your hips forward and squeeze your glutes at the top
* Keep shoulder blades tight


Steve Pulcinella

Both

* Always think of your start as a PUSH with the legs, not a PULL with the back.

Chad Wesley Smith

Both

* Improve your hip mobility with a proper warm-up
* Exploit the stretch reflex by snapping into your starting position quickly
* Train all your max effort work from a dead stop, if you plan on competing

Josh McMillian

Conventional

* Get back on your heals before you pull
* Roll the bar into your hand for a better grip
* Get your hips and butt down prior to pulling
* Make sure your arms and shoulders are locked prior to pulling. I tore my bicep because I used to jerk the bar.
* Most importantly ďgrip and rip.Ē

Dave Tate

Sumo

* When you set up, keep your crotch over the bar the entire time you sit down
* Arch your lower back
* Round your upper back

Conventional

* Begin the pull by flexing your abs
* Keep your arms straight
* Keep your head UP
* Try to fall over backwards

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I hate the deadlift too.

Mainly because I suck at it, but I'm definitely going to listen to some of the points mentioned here.
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I have heard people get a lot from them. I suck at the deadlift lol.
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I am not great at the DL, but it and it's variants are some of my favorite lifts.

I have a big guy, former football player, who is working with me on losing weight. He frustrates the stew out of me. He has had just enough coaching in the past that he feels he knows everything, but not enough to know it correctly. His form is horrible. Starts with bar about 6" out from legs, starts lift and pulls back to body and then up and then proceeds to SDL. Showed him how I would like him to do it and the response was, " you crazy? That will hurt my shins."

IMHO, form is the one area that hurts most lifters when it comes to the DL. If it is not good, you will ultimately hit a limit of what you can do, if you do not get injured first.
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IMHO, form is the one area that hurts most lifters when it comes to the DL.
Good story.

I have to help quite a few younger lifters and most of them think they have "pretty good form". Unfortunately it's not pretty good.
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I have to help quite a few younger lifters and most of them think they have "pretty good form". Unfortunately it's not pretty good.
Someone saying they have pretty good form probably means they don't at all. Same thing as people who say they are "pretty lean", which means they probably have at least 20% bf.
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I am not great at the DL, but it and it's variants are some of my favorite lifts.

I have a big guy, former football player, who is working with me on losing weight. He frustrates the stew out of me. He has had just enough coaching in the past that he feels he knows everything, but not enough to know it correctly. His form is horrible. Starts with bar about 6" out from legs, starts lift and pulls back to body and then up and then proceeds to SDL. Showed him how I would like him to do it and the response was, " you crazy? That will hurt my shins."

IMHO, form is the one area that hurts most lifters when it comes to the DL. If it is not good, you will ultimately hit a limit of what you can do, if you do not get injured first.
This is coming from a former football player. Some of their techniques on lifts are the worst you will see. If they did not have a strength coach that really hammered home the basics, then its hard to correct years later.
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Tate and I have a lot in common lol. I HATE the deadlift. But glad you posted this article btb, a lot of good stuff I can take from it.
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