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Old 08-08-2011, 10:56 AM   #11
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Oh ya, and most importantly, have him register and start a journal. He will get good feedback and motivation.
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Well one good thing about squats is that even relatively light squats can have a big impact. Ask him about squats. A pic or video would be great, but I understand it's not always possible.

I don't know about the nature of his reconstructions, and if there are any lingering issues, but most heavy pulls and leg movements are going to stress the knee to a degree. One thing I recommend is finding out if his squat hesitancy is mental or physical.
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"I am squatting 70kg at my heaviest set at the moment(8 reps), in regard to deadlifts I will NEVER do them!! I know too many people who blew a disk and I am planning on training for many decades to come. And I am aware all the hardcore trainers will go on a rant that if your form is correct there is no danger but I am not interested."
And in answer to the question how heavy is too heavy:
"For me its not so much about lift ceilings, if I get to 10 reps then I will move up in weight"
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And I am aware all the hardcore trainers will go on a rant that if your form is correct there is no danger but I am not interested."[/I]
Is he willing to go heavy on squats?

I have to be honest, by his response I am a bit hesitant to invest time. I would like to help, but I am concerned that my advice won't be taken as valued, but rather filtered to fit his preconceptions and beliefs.

Any chance he will post on the forum? Deadlifting doesn't just rule out deadlifting. It also rules out nearly all Olympic variations, RDL/SLDL variations, and quite possibly heavy bent over rows. If we pull heavy squats from this equation as well...
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There are guys that can do very well without working beyond their capabilities on the biggest lifts, but those guys are few and far between. I guess it all comes down to; How much do you want it? The guys that really want it find a way to get after it, the guys who don't want it (deep down inside) will find any excuse to avoid it.

I have three herniated discs, displaced sciatic nerve, and a 65% disability rating...and squats and deadlifts are the two main reasons I can function normally now.

Some guys want it, some guys don't...just be honest with yourself.
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Ken Adams says:
"I am squatting 70kg at my heaviest set at the moment(8 reps), in regard to deadlifts I will NEVER do them!! I know too many people who blew a disk and I am planning on training for many decades to come. And I am aware all the hardcore trainers will go on a rant that if your form is correct there is no danger but I am not interested."
And in answer to the question how heavy is too heavy:
"For me its not so much about lift ceilings, if I get to 10 reps then I will move up in weight"
After reading this response I won't waste my time.
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Ken Adams needs to check his attitude before he is in a position to truly make progress. Sounds to me like he's making excuses for not lifting heavy.

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I know he squats, but I don't know how heavy and how deep - I'll need to contact him and get back to you. Deadlifts he avoids.

I also know he had knee reconstructions as a young boy, and so prefers not to go too heavy.
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"I am squatting 70kg at my heaviest set at the moment(8 reps), in regard to deadlifts I will NEVER do them!! I know too many people who blew a disk and I am planning on training for many decades to come. And I am aware all the hardcore trainers will go on a rant that if your form is correct there is no danger but I am not interested."
And in answer to the question how heavy is too heavy:
"For me its not so much about lift ceilings, if I get to 10 reps then I will move up in weight"
I understand that due to knee reconstruction he has to watch load bearing capabilities of the knees but to remove, or disregard, the deadlift completely will in fact end up with him possibly blowing a disk, as he puts it.

The deadlift is merely the picking up of an object from floor height which we do all day everyday and to different degrees, the problems arise when we use poor form or a weight we cannot handle, ego-lifts...true, there are the accidents/tweaks that just occur but that can occur at any time and doing any lift, as we all know from experience. Sometimes, the heavier the lift, the safer the lift because we are paying more attention to form.

The times I've injured my back is through doing vaccuuming and yoga (not at the same time ) but not as yet through any deadlift or squat. He really would do well to add deadlifts in but he doesn't have to go really heavy on them, the form in itself will protect his back in the future when lifting that one box that may just throw his back out, if he is not used to correct lifting form.

Just something he may like to consider, up to him though, ultimately.
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Thanks to everybody who has contributed - I am waiting to hear back from Ken RE adopting a full body routine.
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