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Old 05-11-2011, 04:33 PM   #1
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Taken from Chris Duffin's log. He cut from a large 250ish to 198 and pulled this two years ago:


Since then he's had pec' surgery and has suffered from other injuries. Here's the quote:

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Two of coaches at my gym pulled me aside tonight and told me I’m stupid for attempting to compete in the 242’s this year and that staying in the single digit BF is killing my stability on squats and leading to some of my injuries…such as my frequent ab/hip flexors pulls. I’ve been working with these two for 10 years and I respect them a lot. I still plan on doing the 242’s for this august, but that’s probably it. Mind you they called me out BEFORE the cramping tonight LOL. They are right however…I was approaching close to a 1000lb gym squat when I had a thicker waist and was NOWHERE near the level of strength I have been at the last few years. I have struggled with the squat ever since dropping the lbs from a balance and core issues, and I struggle with weights that used to be easy…when I was way weaker than now.
I have noticed similar things as I get bigger: I am feeling much more stable on bench AND squat. Powerbelly FTW

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Old 05-11-2011, 04:41 PM   #2
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Old 05-11-2011, 07:50 PM   #3
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Unless you are so fat that your belly literally sticks out far enough for you to rest your upper body on the tops of your knees as you squat, I see no validation to the argument for higher bodyfat aiding in a lift..

Of course, at that fat level you are in serious danger of say...collapsing suddenly from a heart attack.
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Well, it's also a fact that given a constant frame size and height, you can support more muscle mass at a higher bf%.
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I see no validation to the argument for higher bodyfat aiding in a lift..
Helps me. A lot of other prominent lifters believe so as well. Here is a good article to start with on girth and leverage:

Body Weight, Leverage, and Lifting for Strength

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Dave Tate has similarly remarked, “There’s always a height to weight ratio when it comes to strength. Regardless of what anyone says, if you're 6’2” and weigh 165 lbs, you might pull okay, but you’re not going to squat worth a shit. You don’t have the thickness or the torso. I’m not saying you have to have a fat torso, but a light lifter like that won’t have the torso support for leverage.”
I agree with what Dave is saying. I see a lot of thin deadlifters, but not a lot of thin lifters with big squat numbers.

Not sure if you know this, but folks that are heavier than normal live longer. Here's a summary of the study(s):

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* Those classified as underweight were 73% more likely to die.
* Those classified as extremely obese with BMI of 35 or greater were 36% more likely to die.
* Those classified as obese with BMI 30-34.9 had about the same risk of death.
* Those classified as overweight with BMI 25-29.9 were 17% less likely to die.
Not to derail this thread, but a BMI of 25-29.9 is considered overweight. A BMI of 30+ is considered obese.

Someone with a 34 BMI will live longer than someone underweight. Pass the Cheetos and let's squat.

At 160 pounds and shredded (which I was when exiting the military), I had a 17% greater chance of dying then when I weigh a portly 205. Even at 240 I have the same risk of death as those considered normal weight.

Chris Duffin made a solid assessment. One that aligns with most conventional thought on the topic. In addition, the Chris Duffin on the left will probably live longer.

Lastly, most in the BMI studies don't have extra muscle mass. So it's conceivable that even at 260-270 that I will live just as long as I would at an "average" weight if I had no extra muscle.
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I would submit that there is a such thing as a healthy lean weight for a person's height. 6'2" and 165lbs is not this weight, obviously.
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I would submit that there is a such thing as a healthy lean weight for a person's height. 6'2" and 165lbs is not this weight, obviously.
Tate's comment was hyperbole.

The point is still valid, and accepted by most sources I am aware of.

Also, even at a normal bodyweight they wouldn't have an impressive squat compared to a larger girth squatter of the same height.
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It is not the fat soft stomach they are looking for. It is the actual mass of the gut. It is just like any other muscle, the more muscle that is packed on the stronger it will be. I have found that when my stomach is not strong enough, I shake in the squat. I will never have a 6pack, but I am not soft either. People mistake abs for strength, and that is not normally the case.
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