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Old 09-20-2011, 11:08 PM   #1021
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Hey squatter, great effort in this log, as always.
Sorry to hear that your bench isn't progressing how you would like.
You know, with me, whenever I use a routine with higher volume bench press, such as 4 straight across sets of 5, I tend to stall out. And often I find myself regressing until I do a reset. Only to progress a bit and stall out again.

My point is that, I know I have experienced the same thing you have with the same bench rep scheme. A reset helped, but I stalled again after a couple weeks.
So, a reset is something you may consider.
Or.... You can consider dropping the volume a bit. Maybe only 3 straight sets of 5 or 4 ramping sets to a top set of 5.
Not trying to criticize the routine you are using or question it or it's author, I'm just sharing what I myself have personally experienced.
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:32 AM   #1022
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i would drop the oh squats for now as they are very taxing on the whole shoulder and triceps, then possibly do as josh said and ramp the weights on the bench, or do one or the other first to see if that works, but thats just me. sometimes the smallest change can make the biggest difference

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Old 09-21-2011, 01:49 PM   #1023
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Hey squatter, great effort in this log, as always.
Sorry to hear that your bench isn't progressing how you would like.
You know, with me, whenever I use a routine with higher volume bench press, such as 4 straight across sets of 5, I tend to stall out. And often I find myself regressing until I do a reset. Only to progress a bit and stall out again.

My point is that, I know I have experienced the same thing you have with the same bench rep scheme. A reset helped, but I stalled again after a couple weeks.
So, a reset is something you may consider.
Or.... You can consider dropping the volume a bit. Maybe only 3 straight sets of 5 or 4 ramping sets to a top set of 5.
Not trying to criticize the routine you are using or question it or it's author, I'm just sharing what I myself have personally experienced.
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i would drop the oh squats for now as they are very taxing on the whole shoulder and triceps, then possibly do as josh said and ramp the weights on the bench, or do one or the other first to see if that works, but thats just me. sometimes the smallest change can make the biggest difference

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Thanks Big J & Carl. I think I will try taking a rest day before I bench, as I did on 531, and play the volume by ear next bench day. If, after taking a rest day, the first and second sets are feeling too heavy, I will drop the volume down to 3 sets. If needed, I will also drop the OH Squats and try a ramp up. All great suggestions - thanks very much
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:56 PM   #1024
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Where abouts are you in terms of cardio in relation to where you were, say, a year ago? Will you be building it back up to where you were at your peak (if you haven't already)? Or is it just a baseline cardio session that you'll be adhering to?
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Old 09-21-2011, 02:08 PM   #1025
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I would say my cardio is just as good as last year on my cut. I started doing the intervals about 3 weeks ago, and they are now getting easier by the workout. My RHR is about the same as it was last year on my cut. The only thing is now I am not doing any really long cardio sessions like the 2-6 hour marathons. The longet one I have done is a half marathon, and thatw as only once.
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Just catching up here Jim
Mainly I'm glad to hear that your health(bp) is coming around!
As far as the bench press goes I think it's just part of the game, especially during a cut.
IMO, with almost every program one lift will get a bit more recovery than the others. Maybe it's a good idea to schedule a few more days of rest in between bench pressing, or make it the first lift of the week.

My routine is partially set up the way it is because benching is the least of my problems:
Monday-squat/dead
Tuesday - bench
Wed - Off
Thursday - squat/powerclean
Friday - bench/ohp
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I'm thinking back to the picture of a soccer player was it? I think you said you hoped to look like him when your cut was done. So, with benching, you may have to decide which you want more: A more defined, beefy chest or a big bench? I said may.

I would consider switching to DB bench and seeing how you like that, if your DBs go up high enough in weight.
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The quickest way to add 15lb's to your bench, is to add 15lb's to your bodyweight. The inverse may be true.

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Old 09-22-2011, 12:36 PM   #1029
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Just catching up here Jim
Mainly I'm glad to hear that your health(bp) is coming around!
As far as the bench press goes I think it's just part of the game, especially during a cut.
IMO, with almost every program one lift will get a bit more recovery than the others. Maybe it's a good idea to schedule a few more days of rest in between bench pressing, or make it the first lift of the week.

My routine is partially set up the way it is because benching is the least of my problems:
Monday-squat/dead
Tuesday - bench
Wed - Off
Thursday - squat/powerclean
Friday - bench/ohp
Saturday - Off
Sunday - Off
Thanks Seth!! I have decided to add in a rest day before bench. I'm confident it will help alot, although it will turn the routine into a 13 day cycle.

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I'm thinking back to the picture of a soccer player was it? I think you said you hoped to look like him when your cut was done. So, with benching, you may have to decide which you want more: A more defined, beefy chest or a big bench? I said may.

I would consider switching to DB bench and seeing how you like that, if your DBs go up high enough in weight.

Yep, something like this:



I could sub DB Inclines for BB Inclines, as my DB's max out at 90 lbs, which should be enough to rep 8 times-ish. On bench day, I would then have Flat BB Bench, then Incline DB Bench, and then Dips, all for 4 sets of 8 reps.

Thanks for the suggestion GunNard!!

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The quickest way to add 15lb's to your bench, is to add 15lb's to your bodyweight. The inverse may be true.

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Well, I still have about 15 lbs or so to lose, so hopefully I will not lose 15 more lbs on bench.
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Yep, something like this:

That's a good look. He looks fit and muscular. You guys even look alike.
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