Muscle and Brawn Forums
 

Go Back   Muscle and Brawn Forums > Training > Muscle Building and Bodybuilding

Notices

Muscle Building and Bodybuilding Topics related to muscle building, bodybuilding, including training and fullbody workouts. If you are looking for great advice on gaining muscle this forum is for you.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 12-14-2010, 11:43 AM   #1
BendtheBar
BendtheBar
is getting skinny(ish)
Bearded Beast of Duloc
Max Brawn
Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100
Activity: 51% Activity: 51% Activity: 51%
 
BendtheBar's Avatar
 
Extreme Mini Golf Champion!Tournaments Won: 6

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 80,577
Training Exp: 20+ years
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Butter
My Mood: Lurking
Reputation: 2573264
BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!
Default The "Anti Bodybuilding" Workout

I want to build a list of every major must in modern bodybuilding, and then piece together a workout that breaks these rules.

I am talking conventional bodybuilding magazine type wisdom, such as:

--You have to use a split. Fullbody workouts suck and are only for beginners.
--You must use isolation exercises.
--6 to 12 is the magic rep range. Sets under 6 are for strength, and sets over 12 are for endurance.
--TUT. Time under tension is the magic key.
--Muscle confusion. Muscle confusion is needed. Change routines every 8-12 weeks.
--Mind Muscle. Focus on isolating the muscle. Weight isn't important. "Feel" this muscle working.

Any other majors you consider important in the discussion?

Disclaimer: I'm not posting this to say any of the above are ineffective. Obviously they do work, to varying degrees. Some are more important, and some are silliness as "essentials".

My point is this...it is believed by most that if you don't use these principles, you will fail.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Destroy That Which Destroys You

"Let bravery be thy choice, but not bravado."



Last edited by BendtheBar; 12-14-2010 at 11:55 AM.
BendtheBar is online now   Reply With Quote


Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Old 12-14-2010, 11:51 AM   #2
glwanabe
glwanabe
has no status.
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 15,106, Level: 79 Points: 15,106, Level: 79 Points: 15,106, Level: 79
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,268
Reputation: 148251
glwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master member


Default

Excellant post.

Squatting more than once a week is too much work.
glwanabe is offline   Reply With Quote


Share with Facebook
Old 12-14-2010, 11:54 AM   #3
BendtheBar
BendtheBar
is getting skinny(ish)
Bearded Beast of Duloc
Max Brawn
Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100
Activity: 51% Activity: 51% Activity: 51%
 
BendtheBar's Avatar
 
Extreme Mini Golf Champion!Tournaments Won: 6

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 80,577
Training Exp: 20+ years
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Butter
My Mood: Lurking
Reputation: 2573264
BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by glwanabe View Post
Excellant post.

Squatting more than once a week is too much work.
Nice! Good addition.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Destroy That Which Destroys You

"Let bravery be thy choice, but not bravado."


BendtheBar is online now   Reply With Quote


Share with Facebook
Old 12-14-2010, 11:56 AM   #4
BendtheBar
BendtheBar
is getting skinny(ish)
Bearded Beast of Duloc
Max Brawn
Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100
Activity: 51% Activity: 51% Activity: 51%
 
BendtheBar's Avatar
 
Extreme Mini Golf Champion!Tournaments Won: 6

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 80,577
Training Exp: 20+ years
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Butter
My Mood: Lurking
Reputation: 2573264
BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!
Default

How about:

--You must hit each muscle group from multiple angles to maximize growth.
--You must train calves with higher rep ranges.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Destroy That Which Destroys You

"Let bravery be thy choice, but not bravado."


BendtheBar is online now   Reply With Quote


Share with Facebook
Old 12-14-2010, 12:03 PM   #5
BendtheBar
BendtheBar
is getting skinny(ish)
Bearded Beast of Duloc
Max Brawn
Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100
Activity: 51% Activity: 51% Activity: 51%
 
BendtheBar's Avatar
 
Extreme Mini Golf Champion!Tournaments Won: 6

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 80,577
Training Exp: 20+ years
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Butter
My Mood: Lurking
Reputation: 2573264
BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!
Default

By the way, I realize many of these are integral parts of fullbody workouts and old school training, but I want to write an article that will highlight popular beliefs and present an alternative that isn't just...split vs. fullbody or old vs. new.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Destroy That Which Destroys You

"Let bravery be thy choice, but not bravado."


BendtheBar is online now   Reply With Quote


Share with Facebook
Old 12-14-2010, 12:25 PM   #6
glwanabe
glwanabe
has no status.
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 15,106, Level: 79 Points: 15,106, Level: 79 Points: 15,106, Level: 79
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,268
Reputation: 148251
glwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master member


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BendtheBar View Post
By the way, I realize many of these are integral parts of fullbody workouts and old school training, but I want to write an article that will highlight popular beliefs and present an alternative that isn't just...split vs. fullbody or old vs. new.
We must be tuned in on the same freq again. I have been thinking a lot about this since starting the classic challenge. Moreso, when I started working on some other routines.

Another spark that had got me thinking about some of thee aspects was the talk we had last week about shoulder training.

Then there is the Clancy Ross article where he talks abut picking 15 moves to build his entire Mr. Universe routine around. Thats 15 moves for his entire body. Some people today do that many moves for 2 body parts.

This article.

http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/97181-post75.html


I really like the idea of this thread. I think we have gotten to the point that we have for the most part turned our back on some methods, while embracing others without really understanding, WHY.

A lot of these aspects are not just misunderstood by the everyday lifter. I read about this same aspects being pushed by the so called experts.


Another rule:

Deadlifts should never be done above reps of 3-5

Last edited by glwanabe; 12-14-2010 at 12:37 PM.
glwanabe is offline   Reply With Quote


Share with Facebook
Old 12-14-2010, 01:03 PM   #7
BendtheBar
BendtheBar
is getting skinny(ish)
Bearded Beast of Duloc
Max Brawn
Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100
Activity: 51% Activity: 51% Activity: 51%
 
BendtheBar's Avatar
 
Extreme Mini Golf Champion!Tournaments Won: 6

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 80,577
Training Exp: 20+ years
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Butter
My Mood: Lurking
Reputation: 2573264
BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by glwanabe View Post

I really like the idea of this thread. I think we have gotten to the point that we have for the most part turned our back on some methods, while embracing others without really understanding, WHY.
In many ways we have gotten smarter, but so many times this "smartness" is used to find a way to train easier, or less hard...if that makes sense. Many surround themselves with the comfort of a complex system, trying to disguise the reality that they don't want to work hard.

Most "Men's Health" workouts just lay out a list of exercises, but you will rarely be told that those that succeed bust their nuts with persistence.

The average Joe doesn't like squats and deadlifts and dips and pullups, so they are given a workout that involves lat pulldowns and leg extensions and dumbbell kickbacks and so forth.

Again, this is not an indictment on leg extensions...it's just my opinion on one aspect of modern training.

Also, for the "new" to sell, the old must be classified as useless or inferior.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Destroy That Which Destroys You

"Let bravery be thy choice, but not bravado."



Last edited by BendtheBar; 12-14-2010 at 01:07 PM.
BendtheBar is online now   Reply With Quote


Share with Facebook
Old 12-14-2010, 02:16 PM   #8
strkout35
strkout35
is starting the full body routine again
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 10,027, Level: 66 Points: 10,027, Level: 66 Points: 10,027, Level: 66
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
strkout35's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,120
My Mood: Mellow
Reputation: 34265
strkout35 is a lifting machinestrkout35 is a lifting machinestrkout35 is a lifting machinestrkout35 is a lifting machinestrkout35 is a lifting machinestrkout35 is a lifting machinestrkout35 is a lifting machinestrkout35 is a lifting machinestrkout35 is a lifting machinestrkout35 is a lifting machinestrkout35 is a lifting machine


Default

Only 3 sets per exercise. Any more than that is a waste
strkout35 is offline   Reply With Quote


Share with Facebook
Old 12-14-2010, 02:32 PM   #9
BendtheBar
BendtheBar
is getting skinny(ish)
Bearded Beast of Duloc
Max Brawn
Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100 Points: 1,545,593, Level: 100
Activity: 51% Activity: 51% Activity: 51%
 
BendtheBar's Avatar
 
Extreme Mini Golf Champion!Tournaments Won: 6

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 80,577
Training Exp: 20+ years
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Butter
My Mood: Lurking
Reputation: 2573264
BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by strkout35 View Post
Only 3 sets per exercise. Any more than that is a waste
Nice! That's an obvious one I forgot.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Destroy That Which Destroys You

"Let bravery be thy choice, but not bravado."


BendtheBar is online now   Reply With Quote


Share with Facebook
Old 12-14-2010, 02:44 PM   #10
glwanabe
glwanabe
has no status.
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 15,106, Level: 79 Points: 15,106, Level: 79 Points: 15,106, Level: 79
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,268
Reputation: 148251
glwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master memberglwanabe is a master member


Default

You must train to failure.
glwanabe is offline   Reply With Quote


Share with Facebook
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
anti bodybuilding, workout


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Arnold's "True" Workout System for Size BendtheBar Workouts 12 06-08-2013 01:58 PM
BigJosh's Holid-A-y/B workout aka "I will grow a beard and smash weight" BigJosh Training Logs 271 05-06-2013 12:30 PM
Derik "The Freak" Farnsworth's Leg workout. TitanCT Muscle Building and Bodybuilding 2 02-09-2011 08:26 AM
Anabolic Addiction Present's an "Anytime Workout Powder/Drink" rippednmichigan Supplement Logs 23 05-28-2010 07:16 PM

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.