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Old 06-21-2014, 04:50 AM   #1
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Let me first say, I do NOT do touch and go deadlifts.

Over the past 8 months, my deadlift reps have improved at all weights. My speed has improved. My body has gotten a little bigger, my back, hams, abs, etc. But I have yet to be able to pull more than 540. All of my lifts, squat included, have gone up. My deadlift has remained the same. My best deadlifts are 500x5 and 515x4. Again, I don't do touch and go.

I would like to say the solution is getting my hanstrings stronger, but surely they have gotten stronger. I really am at a loss of what to do. I've considered training other lifts ME instead of the deadlift, but I just don't know.Maybe sumo Deads. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Old 06-21-2014, 05:19 AM   #2
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This won't be me advising you, just to get that out first - you're stronger than I am, for a start!

But I can throw some ideas around, some questions, whatever. To get things rolling, basically.

So, okay, have you tried to get 500x6? 515x5? I mean, have you really hammered at those specific rep goals, at any stage?

Another thing: have you tried an actual max deadlift in recent times? Your 1RM looks to be around the 583 mark by calculation (in both cases), but of course, it could end up lower or higher than that, as is always the case...

What does your deadlift programming look like, actually?
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Here are some things that worked for me.

1) No floor deads for 6 months. Alternate between 3 and 5 inch deadlifts.
2) No work over 90%, no exceptions.
3) Get your dumbbell rows to at least 150 x 10-15 reps.
4) Get your barbell rows as strong as humanly possible.
5) Do power shrugs once a week, and get them over 700.
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:34 AM   #4
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GHR work helped my deads considerably.
True TNG reps (not bouncing) have gotten a bad rap imo. While TNG won't build otf speed nothing better to build size and strength than rep work.
Also as Steve mentioned partial rom work, prefer to pull off boxes or mats as opposed to pins.
Programming using these exercises is key to success, IE; when training TNG or GHR work I would dial back the total strain on the lower back.

Focusing on the squat while doing only assistance work for the DL is another recipe for success, all depends on the individual.
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Thanks, guys.

Dray, I haven't tried a 6th or a 5th rep with those weights yet. My deadlift programming is different than it was. I was training submaximally up to 5-8 reps with some weeks testing 3 reps or higher if possible. Sometimes multiple sets etc. Over the past few weeks I've been adding heavy singles back in.

BTB, I'm weakest off the floor. I have a very powerful lockout even at maximal weights. Would 3-5" pulls still benefit me? I've been training under 90% for quite a while now. My rows do need to get stronger, I can't argue that.

Thanks, OMP. I do need to watch lower back strain.
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2) No work over 90%, no exceptions.
4) Get your barbell rows as strong as humanly possible.
5) Do power shrugs once a week, and get them over 700.
Davis - I practice 2,4, & 5 that btb mentioned.
I also agree with OMP....TNG Deads have gotten a bad rap. Because, the 2nd rep of TNG is an ideal body position rep. Your body naturally moves to an ideal state. First reps may be a little off. And I think there is an added eccentric benefit there. Just my opinion - nothing more.
I would also recommend, based on your off-the-floor comments...adding 3inch deficits... but light... I'd say 50% of max for 5 reps every third week
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If you're weakest off the floor, do platform DLs, with a 3" platform. Also try stiff leg DLs. Do them instead off regular DLS for a few weeks.
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Is like to see video of your pulls to make an educated guess
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I would say first off just keep upping your rep work as much as you can as your main goal. But also really hammer powershrugs, these helped my deadlift more than anything else. I do them more like clean pulls though. So set up with the bar in a rack a few inches at least below your knee, then pull as fast as you can up into a shrug, ease the bar down then repeat. Getting stronger on these should make you stronger and faster on deadlifts too. Other advice would be to hammer your squats as it is almost impossible to not improve your deadlift by squatting more if you are going to proper depth.
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Post a video. Sometimes all the lockout strength or off-the-floor strength in the world is not enough. Sometimes it's a small form issue that could be hindering you.
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