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Old 04-01-2014, 12:37 PM   #11
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Ones metabolism is a complicated subject matter, and does not change virtually overnight even when going from 2500c calories to a starvation level of 500c calories. It will take some time, how long just depends on the scenario specifics and the specific person.

At first, logic tells us, that if your calorie trend was approximated 2500c calories per day (say for a month or more, with the average healthy person with no known issues), and then this same person suddenly drops to 500c calories per day (and need a base maintenance of 2500c), the body is going to react pretty strong---at first.

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As the short time passes (and body weight subsequently drops), calorie needs also change due to the weight variance. In addition, since 500c calories is not going to incorporate a lot of carbohydrates (anyway, and would be used if the were), water weight is going to shift as well. So briefly, we have water loss effecting weight and a strong response to the caloric drop, effecting weight, and ones glycogen liver storage will also deplete, if one on it long enough.

Within this sort of arrangement and given time, the body is simply going to change the way it uses energy, down regulate and up regulate certain hormones and functions, and eventually it will effect metabolism as it slows to conserve vital elements of the body (and caloric needs and vital needs drop as weight subsequently drops). I am apprehensive in saying metabolic damage, as I see this term as over used. The body is pretty damn good at getting what it needs and conserving for long periods-even if the results are less the optimal than the dieter wants (such as the body eating its own muscle, and fat, and other things to survive), and increasing certain hormones compelling you to eat at a very high intensity rate (without drugs). However, the metabolism will slow with the weight variances going down, and other reasons.

There is no magic here. And, it is certainly a diet I would never recommend to anyone for healthy "good tissue loss", and health.
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Well, technically, it's not that well-known, I've never heard of it and tbh have no interest in reading about it either.
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But it's SOOOOO much more complicated than that! SOOOO.

And I am a complicated man. Simplicity doesn't work for me. I have thyroid issues, or metabolic damage, or something....
I don't disregard hormone issues or other underlying medical issues for some people, but, for otherwise healthy people it is much more simple than they want it to be...

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Well, technically, it's not that well-known, I've never heard of it and tbh have no interest in reading about it either.
TBH, I never heard of it before either.

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Within this sort of arrangement and given time, the body is simply going to change the way it uses energy, down regulate and up regulate certain hormones and functions, and eventually it will effect metabolism as it slows to conserve vital elements of the body (and caloric needs and vital needs drop as weight subsequently drops).
I agree the body will auto-regulate, but after a time, starvation is starvation and massive, unhealthy soft tissue loss will ensue.
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I agree the body will auto-regulate, but after a time, starvation is starvation and massive, unhealthy soft tissue loss will ensue.
Researchers from Europe did a study on the Jews in the concentration camps, and learned (among many other despicable things), that the Jews in which did not work (in offices, localized field, etc), were given a diet of 600 calories per day. And, the Jews in which worked in offices and localized fields, etc, received a diet of about 800 calories per day. Most stayed a few years (3 to 4, or something like this).

In context in viewing their body composition in terms of their diet, over a rather long period of time, we see that the body will go to great lengths to survive. Even to the point of eating "nearly" all muscle tissue, and leaving enough fat which was miniscule(to survive, critical fat storage), leaving basically a lagging skinned bag of bones. What was interesting about this study was their body composition before the concentration camp and the time it took the body to reach that point (where some were found alive), and the effects this very low calorie diet had on them. In addition, the contents of this 600 or 800 calorie diet was not very nutritional in the sense of daily macro/micro nutrient needs.

I will see if I can locate this study, it is pretty interesting in terms of how the body behaved and reacted to a low calorie diet with the same persons in basically the same environment, but beginning with different individual physical composition.
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Has anyone ever seen or heard of a fat loss supplement, or maybe even a prescribed medicine, where there was nothing in the small print that did not mention lowering caloric intake and increasing exercise for weight loss?
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