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Old 12-14-2013, 07:50 PM   #11
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A glass of modern regular soda with high-fructose corn syrup instead of sugar has WAY too much fructose. Our bodies just aren't meant to have that much fructose.
1 can of soda == 3 apples, in terms of fructose. Take your pick.


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Old 12-14-2013, 08:03 PM   #12
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Sugar is sugar, doesn't matter were it originates.
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Old 12-14-2013, 09:54 PM   #13
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I don't think the body processes fruit and milk sugars the same as it does HFCS and processed white sugars. (May be wrong)

But additionally fruits add nutritional value in terms of fiber, vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants that you do not get from soda or processed sugar
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As long as you keep your fructose intake relatively decent, there is really no need to worry. Calories in & Calories out still applies.

It'd be quite hard to actually ingest harmful amounts of fructose through just fruit, that's a lot of fruit to eat.

edit: and even if you did manage to eat so much fruit you would need to do so consistently to run into problems.

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Old 12-15-2013, 08:43 AM   #15
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Natural Fructose (such as what is in fruit), get a bad reputation (if you will), because the average body handles this form of sugar differently as compared to other sugars (Complex as in Oatmeal, for example). It doesn't deserve it though. In addition, a person can be rather intelligent to use it at certain times, say a pre-workout drink, during a bulk (as an example).

In "general" terms, if it is not immediately utilized (and glycogen) is full, it does get "stored" for later use. Note that I quoted stored. What is not mentioned within this, is that the body stores, inserts, takes away, etc, fat, and other essentials for its use through out the common day. And, if a person is in a deficit (in the caloric sense, and pointing to a deficit calorie trend history and a person that is healthy and no issues), it will get removed (from being tucked away) and then used. Especially, if one is active, training, and providing a low-carb diet (not pointing to a ketogenic targeted diet). Its is more of the "totality" and circumference of the diet, that is most important.

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I agree with all the statements defending fruit. Yes it has sugar, but it comes in a package of water, fiber, vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants. Those are all good things, and far outweigh any supposed problems from the small amount of sugar. It is the large amount of sugar found in processed foods that have no nutritional benefit that is the problem in the American diet. It is hard to overeat fruit, but easy to overeat such processed sugary foods.
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The problem with fructose arises when the liver glycogen levels are full. At this point, fructose gets converted to fat and that helps to increase the size of the fat cells. Since we aren't equipped with fuel gauges to tell us how full our livers are, many bodybuilders opt for avoiding fruit all together. But such extreme measures are not necessary. There are actually a few times when fruit is not only okay?it's actually helpful.
What do you think about this?
Actually I have some fundamental and basic issues with this.

Let us assume the liver is full for the person during the course of the day. This (according to the above statement) is not taking into account the activities (employment work and the type of employment work being done for the day in question), training that was completed, the storage of various types of "converted" sugars in tissue (muscle, etc) or lack thereof, total calories being consumed, total carbohydrates consumed (if any), etc.

These variables will have more of an impact on whether fructose calories are temporarily stored (with temporary water gain,and then removed for energy), or permanently stored (more long term water retention), other than just the liver being full.

Simple sugars found in fruit get a bad rap they do not deserve. However, when one is tracking diet and knows their activities, and training schedule, limiting simple sugars can have an effect on physical composition, it just depends on personal variables.


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It's hardly a "dilemma" in my eyes.

Fruits provide an absolute ton of health benefits in terms of micronutrients.
You can't compare fruit to soft drinks which provide no nutritional value what so ever, They're only comparable on a theoretical level.

You look at pretty much every food and there's something potentially harmful in it, but we distinguish the good foods from the bad when the benefits far out-weigh the negatives.


Picking out a good food group, and analysing the risks that are only present if the person was to totally over indulge in that one thing every single day is totally pointless, because that'd be the case with anything you eat.
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I see no reason to avoid fruit on non-keto diets. In my opinion this type of thinking is OCD and focuses lifters on the wrong things.

A few pieces of fruit each day is not making me, you or anyone else fat.

We need a natural food variety for a myriad of reasons.

I didn't get fat eating fruit. I've never met anyone who did. It's not the enemy.
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How much fruit would you have to eat in a day for this to even be an issue?
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