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Old 09-09-2010, 02:44 PM   #11
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Is m14add is a D-bol clone?
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I contacted CEL yesterday and the reply I got was that the website was being updated in the next few weeks. The product is available on other websites. To answer the d-bol clone question. I read on this website a copy of an article from another site which I won't name here. An analysis of the chemical name for M1-4ADD showed that it is a precursor of D-bol. I'm still looking for more info on this myself. If I find the article I'll re-post it or get the link. It was very informative and more or less answers all questions.
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Nomenclature: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol
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Side effects: heptatoxicity, slight possibility to aggrevate gyno
Reputation: Great for a bulk. Somewhat wet gains, and decent strength gains. This is a prohormone of Dianabol. However, since dianabol and Boldenone are so very similar, it is believed that the actions of this prohormone are more similar to boldenone than to dianabol (methylboldenone).
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This is a Dianabol precursor. It differs only in the presence of a hydroxyl group in the 3 position, where a ketone is supposed to be, however the conversion of the hydroxyl to the ketone in the body should be quite efficient. The possibility exists, however, for any remaining unconverted material to exert direct estrogenic effects, but I have not heard of any user reports concerning this that have raised any alarm. Dianabol, of course, is a decent anabolic compound with modest androgenic action and low toxicity for a 17a-methyl. Most people feel good on Dianabol and I see no reason why they would not feel similarly on this stuff, unless the estrogen problem I mentioned becomes an issue. Users would likely need a minimum of 25mg to start seeing gains. This stuff came out years ago and when I tested it at the time on my GC/MS I found it contained a mixture of the correct compound and its delta-4 analog (which would be a methyltestosterone precursor). This was likely due to the process used to manufacture it from Dianabol called a borohydride reduction. It gives a mixture of these two isomers unless a certain catalyst is used and apparently the Chinese who made it were not aware of this catalyst. I remember that made me chuckle at the time, but I am sure the Chinese steroid manufacturers have come a long way since then".

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Old 09-09-2010, 03:13 PM   #12
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Thanks! this was very informative. You dont need to stack anything with this, being that its a very stong PH right?
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Thanks! this was very informative. You dont need to stack anything with this, being that its a very stong PH right?
With orals you really only want one oral at a time.
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how much do you gain on M14add? Im looking to put on 15-20 lbs.
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You can stack ph's it's just not a good idea to stack methyl ph's.

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how much do you gain on M14add? Im looking to put on 15-20 lbs.
This is possible, but not sure how lean. Will be a lot of water weight.



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Thanks. Im not worried about water. all bulk dead weight!This sounds better than M-drol which is my favorite!
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m1,4add isn't a "clone" of d-bol, it's a precursor. It's believed to convert at roughly 15% so however many mg's of m1,4add you take, 15% of that would be the equivalent dose of d-bol. However, it has some intrinsic anabolic effects of its own prior to being converted. I've personally gone up to 210 mg's with it and never had any real issues. I wouldn't recommend that, but overall it's a fairly mild compound for a methyl and very effective for strength and fairly dry mass.

Alpha One has always been one of my favorite compounds. I used the original methyl-1 alpha back in the day and more recently Methyl XT a couple years ago, so I was excited when I saw CEL was making a clone. it's a precursor to M1T, so obviously it's pretty potent stuff. Not quite on par with Superdrol, but then again, what is? I'd say it's one of the strongest compounds legally available at this point. Be careful with it, but enjoy the gains!
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Right now I'm currently running a cycle of Alpha One after a failed M-Drol cycle which btw gave me nothing but terrible headaches and stomachaches and only a 5lb gain.... I did some research on Alpha One and it says it is used to bridge right into other cycles so my question is would it be okay to run a 3 week cycle of Alpha One followed immediately by a 3 week cycle of Hdrol and then a 4 week PCT cycle with Chlomid?????
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i bridged alpha-one with p-mag last year, nice gains.
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