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Old 11-13-2013, 03:27 PM   #21
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I tried to avoid commenting on this but ..... nope !!!

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"If I were a religious man, though? I'd return it. I know how those people think." They look for opportunities to show god's grace by doing the right thing, and the bigger the better. Does that make them better than me? Nope."

First - you are right no is better than anyone else.

But if you are not a religous man then, how can you claim, to know " how "those" people think ? I am a Christian and I do not claim to know how you or any other person, religous or not, thinks.

I, as a man, am not capable of demonstrating God's grace- He alone can do that and ( please place emphasis on the word "I")

I, try to do the right thing not because I am trying to demonstrate His Grace but rather my own submission, to the will of God - for we are saved by grace, not works, lest no man can boast ( paraphrased )

I believe that good works demonstrate my faith they do not justify it. I am not trying to earn cotton candy or funnel cakes as you say, by doing good things -

I try to do good things because I have faith in a God who provides them to me and believ that by doing these things I am being obidient.

Faith without works is a dead faith ( again, paphrased) I am not trying to earn my way to Heaven - I do not have that power but am rather granted that grace through God's gift of salvation.

I, for the record- believe that I am saved by Christ's sacrifice not by my works.

I do the wrong thing alot !

I admire your honesty and feel you are certainly, welcome to your opinion
( athough I would call to question the "ethical and well thought out" perspective of your actions) .

I EVEN AGREE with you that anyone, (even the faithful ) would be tempted, to keep the money.

That being said, I have to ask -Why do you seem to have such a case of the ass, for those of us who practice a faith ? Again, you are welcome to your opinion - I am just curious.

On a side note - hats off to the Rabbi for doing ( what he thought ) was the right thing. The right thing is usually a hard thing to do.
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:44 PM   #22
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Case in point, I read about a study that showed that hot showers reduce testosterone levels. I've also heard that hot water increases inflamation, which sounds bad, but then I read that inflamation is good as long as it isn't acute. Anyways, I find hot showers relaxing. Extremely relaxing. And they help me sleep. And being relaxed, avoiding stress and getting good sleep are all supposed to be good for your hormonal profile. So should I take hot showers or not? I think this one goes over the line and gets filed in the "screw it, I'm not going to worry about it" file.

All I can say is this; if you find yourself stressing about your beloved hot showers and how they might affect your free test levels, you probably need someone to slap you in the face and tell you to settle the hell down. You also need to go do some squats, because while you were contemplating the latest controversial studies your friends were all lifting, eating, and getting stronger than you.
Agreed.

Here's the thing about scientific studies.

Science is the most cautious of all human endeavours. It works by replicating findings again and again and again, in a slow accretion of evidence. In most cases, if you've got one study showing X affects Y, what you've got is just an interesting finding that might in the long term turn into a provisional conclusion, that might - with a few more replications - turn into something more definite. Many initial findings fail to be replicated.

But most people reporting on science either don't know or don't care about this. They're drumming up web traffic or newspaper sales by writing interesting copy. 'Hot showers reduce testosterone' sells better than 'Preliminary study suggests that testosterone might decrease after hot showers, subject to replication, and by the way whether this is of any real physiological significance is another question.'

I think you're right not to lose any sleep over it. Most of this stuff makes almost zero difference to real world lifting or life.
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Old 11-13-2013, 07:21 PM   #23
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If I were a religious man, though? I'd return it. I know how those people think. They look for opportunities to show god's grace by doing the right thing, and the bigger the better. Does that make them better than me? Nope.
Religious people and irreligious people can sometimes be VERY different from one another. But sometimes religious people and other religious people are very different from one another, and sometimes irreligious people and other irreligious people are very different from one another. Cosmology/philosophy/faith-based bigotry is based in generalizations, and it IS possible to acknowledge that there are some differences between people of different cosmologies/philosophies/faiths and cultural backgrounds without generalizing those differences.
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It's really awesome that you guys responded. I agree that it was great that the Rabbi did the right thing, and the whole spiel about "religious people" is definitely a generalization.

I do have to add, however, that the reason I know how Christians generally think is because I spent the first 20 years of my life as a passionate Christian.

My whole goal with expressing my thoughts is to get people to think and discuss.
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A thought on diet;

What most people think of as hunger is actually thirst. Thirst often manifests itself through the same feeling we think of as hunger. That's one of the reasons why it's so important to stay hydrated when cutting. If you are hydrated then you've made a huge step towards preventing hunger which will make the whole process much easier.

Staying hydrated also has so many benefits that we never talk about. It even helps your skin stay bright and clear. Most bodily functions are hindered if the body is not properly hydrated.
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A quick thanks to everyone for understanding that these are just small thoughts I've had and not taking them too seriously. These are not expressions of my personal beliefs, but rather mostly passing fancies.
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Black people and white people can sometimes be VERY different from one another. But sometimes white people and other white people are very different from one another, and sometimes black people and other black people are very different from one another. Racism is based in generalizations, and it IS possible to acknowledge that there are some differences between people of different races and cultural backgrounds without generalizing those differences.
I don't see people in terms of race, I see people as individuals and base my views on those individuals...people within the same family can all be different but even then we see them tarred with the same brush by teachers, neighbours etc...and that's at the basest level before we even get to counties and countries and race...it's just sad and ridiculous.

Why should people consider that a person is of race X just because they happen to be born one side of a man-drawn line on a map? That's just a general question, not personal. County lines in the UK are from time to time being redrawn for political gain and although that's at a county level, you'll still see one county against another in terms of their thinking of the other people from the county that they would have been part of had the lines remained in their original places.
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It's really awesome that you guys responded. I agree that it was great that the Rabbi did the right thing, and the whole spiel about "religious people" is definitely a generalization.

I do have to add, however, that the reason I know how Christians generally think is because I spent the first 20 years of my life as a passionate Christian.

My whole goal with expressing my thoughts is to get people to think and discuss.
... fair enough- if I may ask, what turned you away ?( feel free to PM me - I am just curious - i ain't gonna "preach" at ya )
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... fair enough- if I may ask, what turned you away ?( feel free to PM me - I am just curious - i ain't gonna "preach" at ya )
Much of my reasoning is philosophical and by it's nature could come across as disrespectful if not completely offensive, so it's not really something I get into in places like this. But the thing that started me down the road was learning about different religions in college. I was confronted by the similarities between so many different belief systems and what I learned started me down a line of logic that lead to my current beliefs, or lack there-of.
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