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Old 11-29-2013, 08:03 PM   #1
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This debate is in regards to my recent article: 12 Bodybuilding Lies That Won't Die

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/art...lding-lies-die

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Im sorry to say this, but i think that about 75% or more of this article is also a lie. What scientific proof is related to anything he is saying? Im a cert. personal trainer, and can debunk about half of what he says from scientific proof, not saying the myth is correct either. Sorry but there are a lot of people that think they know what they are talking about because they have the experience of lifting for years and years, and that training works for them, but everyone is different. Experiment with workouts, change your exercises to challange your muscles in different ways, and youll grow. Doesnt have to be size, there is also strenght and endurance that can be added by more repititions. Its not only from sticking to the hypertrophy range of 8-12 reps.
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For the record, you are telling folks:

1) Not to get stronger.
2) You can get as big as an IFBB pro without steroids.
3) They need to live in the gym.
4) They need to bulk like a pig and get fat.
5) They need to follow the programs of the pros because these programs are the best for them.
6) They must not use full body workouts or upper lower splits because they don't work.
7) They should try to overtrain.
8) They should use high reps when cutting.
9) They must live for the pump above all things.
10) All big and strong lifters know everything about training.
11) They should never eat more than 150 grams of protein per day under any circumstances.
12) They need to deload every 4 weeks.
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Old 11-29-2013, 08:18 PM   #2
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Probably took a 3 day class to get a B.S. cert and now feels that he has superiority over everyone else. Also probably feels that his "way" is the only way and won't entertain that other methods can work.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:27 PM   #3
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For the record, you are telling folks:

1) Not to get stronger.
2) You can get as big as an IFBB pro without steroids.
3) They need to live in the gym.
4) They need to bulk like a pig and get fat.
5) They need to follow the programs of the pros because these programs are the best for them.
6) They must not use full body workouts or upper lower splits because they don't work.
7) They should try to overtrain.
8) They should use high reps when cutting.
9) They must live for the pump above all things.
10) All big and strong lifters know everything about training.
11) They should never eat more than 150 grams of protein per day under any circumstances.
12) They need to deload every 4 weeks.
Exactly, bro.

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Old 11-29-2013, 10:36 PM   #4
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Arguing with someone who is certified btb, sorry you're outgunned ! Lol
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Anyone know how to post gifs? Strong trolling by the Trainer

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Old 11-30-2013, 06:56 AM   #6
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Ha ha ha, I'd like to see the 'proof'. Difficult to see what he could be objecting to from that list.

The fact that he's using the expression scientific proof automatically disqualifies him from further consideration. Mathematicians deal with proof, scientists deal with evidence.
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Old 11-30-2013, 11:21 AM   #7
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This debate is in regards to my recent article: 12 Bodybuilding Lies That Won't Die

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/art...lding-lies-die

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Im sorry to say this, but i think that about 75% or more of this article is also a lie. What scientific proof is related to anything he is saying? Im a cert. personal trainer, and can debunk about half of what he says from scientific proof, not saying the myth is correct either. Sorry but there are a lot of people that think they know what they are talking about because they have the experience of lifting for years and years, and that training works for them, but everyone is different. Experiment with workouts, change your exercises to challange your muscles in different ways, and youll grow. Doesnt have to be size, there is also strenght and endurance that can be added by more repititions. Its not only from sticking to the hypertrophy range of 8-12 reps.
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For the record, you are telling folks:

1) Not to get stronger.
2) You can get as big as an IFBB pro without steroids.
3) They need to live in the gym.
4) They need to bulk like a pig and get fat.
5) They need to follow the programs of the pros because these programs are the best for them.
6) They must not use full body workouts or upper lower splits because they don't work.
7) They should try to overtrain.
8) They should use high reps when cutting.
9) They must live for the pump above all things.
10) All big and strong lifters know everything about training.
11) They should never eat more than 150 grams of protein per day under any circumstances.
12) They need to deload every 4 weeks.
Reference 1. In the quote provided I do not see this trainer saying that in all fairness to him. With some persons (especially pointing to some sports), endurance is more important and takes priority over strength.....though some incorporate both, dependent on the specific demands of the sport. And, strength (dependent on the sport) can have a different term or meaning dependent on the sport. In some sports to have strength without cardio fitness is weak, because the strength leaves you as soon as your cardio is gone. You cant breathe you are simply weakened, plain and simple. Stength will vacate, and the only way to improve this condition is to improve your overall conditioning (cardiovasular endurance).

Reference 2. Same with this. I do not see the trainer saying this in this quote.

Reference 3. Again, I do not see this trainer saying this in this quote.

Reference 4. I again do not see this trainer saying this in his quote.

Reference 5. The trainer did not say that nor imply this in the quote provided.

Reference 6. The trainer did not say this.

Reference 7. The Trainer did not say this.

Reference 8. The trainer did not say this. And, what I will say here, is that higher reps DO HAVE A PLACE IN A ROUTINE. One example, is using higher reps, when tweaking carbohydrates (when cutting), to obtain a higher proportional amount of carbohydrates being burned, when the purpose is to deplete glucose storage in the liver, and sometimes this is adjoined with a re-feed, and followed by power workout (lower reps), in some protocols. But, certainly higher reps are not required in a cut, this is for sure. This example is just one way to go about tweaking things to obtain a desired result.

Reference 9. Trainer did not say that.

Reference 10. He DID imply this, and he is definitely wrong on this note. I have much respect for you, for example, in your years of experience, knowledge, and what you do for the forum.

Reference 11, 12. He did not say this.

He was real general in his response, and more clarification in specifics are needed. I realize he said: 75% of the article was a lie, but I would like to learn (through additional clarification, in stead of speculation in its entirety), his specific view points, and learn which ones he terms as a lie.

I am not ready to pass judgment, or ready to throw this person under the bus, for the little I know about him through a small paragraph. It simply is not fair.

Its his fault he is getting these opinions, and could have responded better. For what it is worth, I agree with your article, I am just leaning toward fairness and additional clarification. I will not side one way or the other based on knowing or liking one person vs not knowing or liking the other.


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Shit, he's certified, you better step back Steve!


Seriously, Its ridiculous how many of these idiots you have to deal with.
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