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Old 09-18-2013, 10:23 PM   #11
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I am curious how you explain the many people on this forum that drop pounds of fat just by cutting out carbohydrates?
dropping carbs is dropping calories, caloric deficit has been reached.

Cals in vs cals out. thats it. no magic fewds just simple equations.


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it should also be noted that "low carb" can be used in the same thing as lets say having your macros figured out and then dropping your carbs to reach a caloric deficit, which is what iifym is all about. adjust to your caloric needs by using something that can easily be moved IE Carbs!

it should also be noted i dont eat IIFYM, I eat IF I WANT IT ILL MUNCH IT... but im not lean and dont care to be.
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Old 09-19-2013, 05:15 AM   #12
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Old 09-19-2013, 07:33 AM   #13
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A few thoughts to consider.

A.) To poopoo carb sensitivity is just as naive as making the outrageous statement that "sugar is a dangerous drug." Each of us have different metabolic capabiLities and hindrances. The diabetics I know,and have worked with, are able to control their diabetes with diet and weightloss, but have not eradicated it. They, for life, have to watch their carb intake. I will let a medical professional speak to this more fully.

B.) A recent JAMA published study http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article....icleid=1730520 found out something quite interesting. It didn't matter much the formula, diet, for weightloss, the most significant indicator of successful weightloss was the level of adherence to the plan. The old, "work the plan and let the plan work," seems to apply more than most think.
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From my experience, going low / no carb gives quick non lasting results followed by a plateau. Oats are healthy, rice is yummy, fruits and veggies are healthy and full of vitamins minerals etc. Limiting yourself to green fiber veggies and taking in high fats is silly to me. Its silly for me. A balanced diet works for me. I keep saying me to emphasize I've found what works for me. Your own experience may vary. I would encourage a balanced diet focused on macro nutrient goals. I dont eat sugar.
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Everyone is entitled to there own opinion, but to just simply disregard carbohydrates impact on insulin and insulins impact on fat storage, is to disregard what I understand to be hard science. It is my understanding that insulin has a huge impact on fat storage in the body.
And it is also what I believe is accepted science, that some of us are more sensitive to the impacts of carbs/insulin than other's among us.
As much as it is hard to accept, all signs point the fact that all calories are not created equal. (I may get flamed for saying that)
Furthermore, it is foolish to simply state those on a low carb diet are eating less. That is based on assumption. NO doubt, this is not a blanket statement and that some people do eat less on a low carb diet, but others eat just as much as before.
I hope some of the other guys here speak up, but I know for a fact myself and other's on this forum have ate like a horse on a low carb diet and lost weight. Myself I've lost 40lbs thus far, another member 30+ pounds, one member of MaB even lost 150lbs! All while endulging on caloricly dense food, eating many meals a day and eating until full!
Those saying one can't eat as much on a low carb diet, simply have not taking the time to learn how to cook low carb. There is so much one can make.
I want to stress to simply attribute the results of low carb weightloss to lower calories is not accurate. No doubt, this may sometimes contribute, but there is a hormonal response to low carb dieting that aids in fat loss.
On one other note, I am in no way claiming that this sort of diet will get you shredded or in Bodybuilder contest shape. Of course it will not. That requires meticulous commitment and work. But I am saying, that for the average joe that wants to lose some weight and look good, low carb route is a valid option.
Very good discussion in here. This is my opinion on the matter. Really though, in the end, there are many approaches one can take to a successful eating program.
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Old 09-19-2013, 09:04 AM   #16
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I lost over 100 lbs on low carb, and have kept it off for over a year and a half.

I eat more carbs now than when I lost all the weight, but I still eat a LOT LESS carbs than I ate when I was fat...ALSO I now eat a lot more calories than I did when I was fat.
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BigJosh, I'm definitely not disregarding the importance of how different macros effect your body. I've heard the stories of people who did low carb diets, at as much as they wanted, and continued to lose weight. Frankly, I'm jealous of those people, just like I'm jealous of people who have always eaten as much as they wanted to and stayed lean. I hate limiting how much I can eat, which is why I loved the idea of low carb dieting. But for me, when I'm able to eat as much as I want I will always overeat. It's just the way I am. I don't just love eating. I love eating a LOT of food.

Like I said, low carb eating worked for me for a while, but it was because I was eating less calories and also losing water weight. I plateaued, then had to start monitoring my intake via weighing and logging.

Another reason I think it doesn't work as well for me is because I seem to do well with carbs. my insulin sensitivity seems to be good and in my experimenting I've found that differing levels of carbs don't HELP me lose fat, necessarily, but it also doesn't hurt.

I'm glad we can have this respectful discussion. Can't pull that off on other forums.
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My golden rule has always been to have a healthy fat, lean or lean-ish protein, and a healthy carb, such as sweet potato's/veggies/brown rice, at every meal - even snacks. Having all 3 at every meal also provides for maximum absorption. It, along with being gluten, dairy, soy, and nightshade plant free has provided me with optimum health aand weight management.

I avoid granulated sugar. By no means do I think it is as addictive as a drug, but I believe it likely has some addictive properties. Sweet tooth anyone?
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Josh and Soldier have both made my point A.) in my earlier post. We are each metabolically different. I eat very low carb compared to most folks, my preference and what works for me. Been eating low carb for 6 years now. I do eat carbs, even candy and cake, but I modify my eating for those. I try to limit my sugar/starchy carbs to immediately post workout and my post workout meal. This has worked well for me. I gave carb backloading a go and found my body didn't respond well. I am extremely carb sensitive, so I just watch them closely. I gain quickly if I have too many simple carbs. My body can't metabolize them fast enough. At the same time, at nearly 50 (21 December if anyone wants to send money), I don't process protein efficiently either, so I really have to focus on my protein intake. To that end, I focus on protein first and then worry about the rest. As was said earlier, that is what is working for me. My caution to all of us is to watch the blanket statements about one approach or another, no one plan is THE plan. You have to find what will work for you.
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Forget science, the easiest rebuttal is that people are fucking lazy and have no will power.

I can stuff my face with steak the same way I can stuff my face with oreos. I just happen to like the taste of oreos...which is probably how I got fat.

People come up with all kinds of excuses "i'm big boned", "i have glandular issues" "i don't eat that much yet I'm still fat".....put the cookies down fatty and go look in the mirror. that fat blob is the reason why you are fat.
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