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Old 07-26-2013, 07:11 AM   #1
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I have recently learned that my narrow high bar squat is about 20-25% less than my wide lowbar, and that my sumo deadlift is 70% of my conventional.

Does it make sense to focus on sumo and high bar to bring up weakness? both of those stances put me in what looks like a better position (upright torso, getting right muscles involved), but i have more power the other styles.
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You're getting more power from your posterior chain than from your quads. I'm the same way. Yes, it does make sense to train those weaker variations now and then, but I wouldn't put all of your focus there.
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Old 07-26-2013, 11:31 AM   #3
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Is it exposing a 'weakness', or just displaying the outcome of different biomechanics?

What Soldier said. Fine to do some work to add strength to an aspect of a lift, as some variation As long as its not at the expense of training the movement your interested in getting good at.
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agreed. You def want to hit your weaker parts but i wouldnt solely concentrate on them all the time
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If you do train them, keep in mind they will probably always be behind the other set ups.

they are not so much weaknesses as the result of your anatomy

for strength, use your strongest position. do some lighter rep work with your alternates for variety.

For example, my military press (front) is currently 145x3, then I do behind the neck presses with 80 for 3 -4 sets of 10 reps. Strength and warm up with stronger set up, rep work with my weaker position.
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i like to use them as aux work to bring up things that are lagging behind.
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On the pull I usually do both styles each day. For instance i might do a heavy block pull conventional then do a rep set ultra wide sumo
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Thanks for all the solid advice.

I just find it odd how weak I am in what should be a mechanically stronger position.
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Thanks for all the solid advice.

I just find it odd how weak I am in what should be a mechanically stronger position.
I don't see it that way. Almost all of the biggest deadlift records have been set by conventional lifters, even though a conventional deadlift requires a larger ROM and puts the lifter in a less "advantageous" position at the start. It's simply a question of what/how many muscles you're using and how they're being used.

I find high bar narrow stance squats much more comfortable. The more my stance widens the more strain I feel in my upper hamstrings and groin muscles, and the harder I find it to reach parallel. That being said, I can lift more with a slightly wider stance. There are simply too many variables involved in these larger compound lifts.
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