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Old 07-04-2013, 07:14 AM   #11
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After reading this I'm feeling wraps are more comparable to a slingshot rather than a belt because they aid in overload?
I'd say in some ways they are like a slingshot. Like a slingshot they help you move more weight, they help more at the bottom and they also protect you from injury.

But modern wraps are more similar to real gear. The original design was to protect the joints, but it's gone past that now and the fact that they allow you to lift more weight basically negates the injury preventing effects.

I'd say that wraps could be used for overload, but I think if someone is trying to increase their squat without wraps then wraps are best used only when the volume is so high that knee pain is an issue, OR if there are preexisting injuries.
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The first few times you squat in tight wraps you'll feel like your knees are going to be ripped apart. Be prepared for it. The way you wrap and the wraps that work best for you depend on how you squat. If you are someone who drops hard and uses rebound to get up then you'll need a looser wrap that places the bulk of the wrap directly behind your knee. You'll also want a wrap that has more bulk. Putting more wrap behind your knee will give lots of support to your knee right at the bottom without hindering your ability to drop faster.

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I'm dropping hard to squat. When you say more wrap behind the knee are you saying when wrapping the back part of the leg go directly behind the knee and as you come to the front go mostly below or above the joint???

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I'm dropping hard to squat. When you say more wrap behind the knee are you saying when wrapping the back part of the leg go directly behind the knee and as you come to the front go mostly below or above the joint???

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Negative. If you did that then the wrap would actually be trying to bend the knee, and would resist as you tried to extend the knee. Obviously, this isn't what you want. Instead, I would start with a traditional wrap (basically you start at the bottom in front of the knee cap then slowly move up the leg as you wrap), but have the individual wraps overlap more right at the knee joint. The cumulative effect would be that the wrap is much thicker right at the knee joint.

Maybe I'll do a video to better explain and demonstrate what I'm talking about. I know it's hard to understand in writing.
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Soldier has it spot on, I drop hard when I am squatting in my wraps so the traditional wrap works best for me.

Overlap the material the most around the bend in the knee and you will get really good exploding power out of the hole. This is also helps for me because that is where I am weakest.
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Negative. If you did that then the wrap would actually be trying to bend the knee, and would resist as you tried to extend the knee. Obviously, this isn't what you want. Instead, I would start with a traditional wrap (basically you start at the bottom in front of the knee cap then slowly move up the leg as you wrap), but have the individual wraps overlap more right at the knee joint. The cumulative effect would be that the wrap is much thicker right at the knee joint.

Maybe I'll do a video to better explain and demonstrate what I'm talking about. I know it's hard to understand in writing.
I understand now. Thanks.
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Little update on my knee wrap blunder...I wrapped them myself for a light set today and was able to get my form correct. I wrapped them pretty lightly although it was still uncomfortable, but I did get good support and rebound from them. I think I had two issues the first time I tried them. First, I lacked confidence in using the wraps with a heavy weight and second, they were just way too tight for my virgin knees the first time!

My plan from here on out is to buy some cheapo wraps from sports authority or similar and train with those over the next few weeks with progressive tightness. That should help me work up to using my 2.5m elitefts wraps with progessive tightness heading up to my meet in Nov. I think this is the best way for me, and possibly other virgin knees to successfully employ knee wraps in their training.
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Sounds like a plan. Good luck!
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