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Old 06-23-2013, 12:46 PM   #11
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What I see from following your journal (when you actually post your workouts)
I havn't been logging them becasue they we're too complicated and mixed up to do so.

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is that you are always trying to find that weight that allows the perfect amount of reps and sets. That is NOT the way to do it when you first start. You are just constantly bumping your head against the ceiling with no room to move up, eventually you will fall.
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When I say to start light, I mean ridiculously light. I mean it has to be so light that you will have absolutely no problems adding 2.5 to 5 lbs every week for a month and a half. That might mean goblet squatting with pink dumbbells, but it HAS TO BE DONE. It is the only way to teach yourself how to lift and make progression without hitting the ceiling.

You need to grasp this simple concept of ramping up to be successful
Yes I remember you saying this before. Although I took on board what you said, I guess I didn't really drop the weight as low as I shouldve, simply becasue I was worried.

I was worried because dropping the weight down really low, although been the correct way to progress for somone just starting out, it kind of goes against everything Iv'e been told.

For example, you all say its very important I'm getting stronger, because if not, eating allot of food is a sure way to get fat if its not going to make your muscles bigger and stronger, which it surly wont be happening if I'm lifting the rediculopusly small weights your sugesting.

Also, If I go really, really light, then its likely going to be months and months until I'm actually building any strength and muscle at all.

I totally understand what your saying, but I fear the conciquences, even if this is the way to go.
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Old 06-23-2013, 12:56 PM   #12
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stress effects my lifts, my head has to be in the game. Lack of food and sleep can effect my strength and just every day life has its impact on the outcome of a workout, but I do think you need a basic way of progression.

the one set of 12-15reps then add weight, like off road suggested.

Or use the rep goal system, you can convert your 5x5 in to a rep goal.
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I was worried because dropping the weight down really low, although been the correct way to progress for somone just starting out, it kind of goes against everything Iv'e been told.
I realize that, I haven't made many friends with my way of thinking, everybody wants to be "hardcore" and lift as heavy as possible every time. Fine and dandy if you've built some strength and work capacity. But just starting out, you need to train the body to work, eat, and recover and starting low is the best way to do it. I've seen it many, many times, new lifters stalling out in a few weeks because they want to lift as heavy as they can. It's a process that you have to learn.
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I totally understand what your saying, but I fear the conciquences, even if this is the way to go.
You need to get over that and trust the guys who have results. Fear leads to failure. You have to trust in your ability to adapt when things don't go as planned.

Stop with the "getting fat" concept. We've discussed this way too many times and you're not thinking rationally. You are NOT going to get fat eating clean foods. End of story.

If you want my help, and the help of others, you're going to have to trust us at some point and stop bringing up the same issues.

No one gets fat eating 3k calories of clean food per day, especially not a teen who has not finished puberty.

Get strong. You are locking yourself down with fears.

Linden, listen to me. I've said this a dozen times the last 2 weeks. Results are about adaptations. Things will never go right, but we will adapt and make them go right. Either you believe you can control this, or you believe in your made up fears.

You have to make a choice.
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Well I'm not having a pre workout meal, so maybe thats something to do with it.

Thanks for commenting Josh.
What I said has little to do with pre workout nutrition. It was pertaining to nutrition as a whole. You probably aren't eating enough on a daily basis. What u are describing is a symptom of this.
As far as pre workout nutrition, I lift first thing in the morning, having only coffee, whey isolate and water. Pre workout nutrition can be over rated IMHO.
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You need to get over that and trust the guys who have results. Fear leads to failure. You have to trust in your ability to adapt when things don't go as planned.

Stop with the "getting fat" concept. We've discussed this way too many times and you're not thinking rationally. You are NOT going to get fat eating clean foods. End of story.
I know this. My question related to what you'd told me. That if I wasn;t getting stronger, then eating on a surplus would quickly result in fat gain.

I put 2 and 2 together that lifting really light weights, wasn't going to get me stronger until I'd progressed onto the weights that were heavier, and so that pound I was gaining would store as fat if it wasn't building muscle.

I realize that isn't the case now, but that's not the point.

The point is that I do trust you. I know that by doing this I wont get fat, you proved it to me.

Just because I asked that question doesn't mean I disregarded everything you said. Far from it. Iv'e learned allot in the past week or so from you.

I wouldn't be here, on a bulking diet you suggested, if I didn't believe you would I.





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If you want my help, and the help of others, you're going to have to trust us at some point and stop bringing up the same issues.
The issue is lessening and I'm learning.

As I said, my plan is based entirely on what you told me to do. If I didn't trust you I wouldn't be doing it.

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No one gets fat eating 3k calories of clean food per day, especially not a teen who has not finished puberty.
I know, and thats why I'm currently doing what you said.

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Get strong. You are locking yourself down with fears.
That lock is weakening I assure you.

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Linden, listen to me. I've said this a dozen times the last 2 weeks. Results are about adaptations.
I already understand that. Think about the question I asked for a second.

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Things will never go right, but we will adapt and make them go right. Either you believe you can control this, or you believe in your made up fears.

You have to make a choice.
I believe you. Isn't it clear?

I'm following your advice, that shows you I believe in what your saying, I'm not stupid.

My choice is obvious. I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

I know I wont get fat, even if the fear is still present.
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Hi Linden,

Steve is making some very good points here. You are very new to putting this kind of stress on your body in the first place, starting really light like everyone suggests isn't going to cause you to get fat. Your body needs to take some time to adapt to the training, and even throughout that period while lifting light your muscles are going to respond in a positive way.

Lower the weights and start increasing as your hit your goals, most people train that way no matter what level they are at. I say most because there are some that can train all out every session. Maybe this will be you, but you need to let yourself get there first.

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It happens to everyone, dont be frustrated when your lifts goes down.

Its just like in stock market it goes up and when you tough it will still peak, but boom suddenly it goes down and it feels like horror for a lot of us..

Your training is just like up and down. It would be scary if you lifts goes up and never goes down. thats abnormal.

But if you feel that your lifts still goes down, maybe theres a problem with your program. try to cut some workout to increase again on your lifts.
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