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Old 06-11-2013, 01:56 PM   #21
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training heavy and slow will not, by itself, do anything special for sports...
However dose bar speed equate to improved RFD, or however you want to define power or aspects of power skeletal poweroutput? Or dose the rate at which skeletal muscle is trained to contract mater more? Is resistance training even the best way to train RFD relevant to most sports?
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Old 06-11-2013, 07:06 PM   #22
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However dose bar speed equate to improved RFD, or however you want to define power or aspects of power skeletal poweroutput? Or dose the rate at which skeletal muscle is trained to contract mater more? Is resistance training even the best way to train RFD relevant to most sports?

Bar speed = amount of power... moving the same weight faster will develop more power...for that movement...only some will transfer to sports as most sports maneuvers are more multi-plane, dynamic and random/chaotic (not a set path).

Also, most sports moves are done relatively "unloaded"

I'm all for big lifts, but play your sport with a sport specific coach and program to get better at it...don't rely solely on big lifts to make you a better athlete...they are only a piece of the puzzle.

Usually, things like plyometrics and reaction drills make you more athletic...
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Old 06-11-2013, 07:08 PM   #23
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I made a comment about depth that may have started a firestorm...

I wasn't saying that bar placement and depth were related, just that I personally was squatting to a different depth at the time I used high-bar...

I agree with Schultze that it's individual, with LTL that for contest it's hip versus knee and point out that for me (compared to Squatter) that LOW-bar fixed my forward lean whereas HIGH bar fixed his... most likely due to torso length, adductor strength, etc.
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Old 06-11-2013, 07:40 PM   #24
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Nobody gives a shit about your 'proper' form. Everybodys form is different. And taking it all the way down is bullshit too! What does that do for you? How can you judge 'all the way down'? The point is to move the most weight possible.
how is that ^^^ mentality different from someone who tries to do a 200 lb. curl with a 4-inch range of motion and who should really be doing full range of motion with 80 lbs.? someone like this:


and yet most people will be quick to criticize guys like this ^^^

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Old 06-11-2013, 07:45 PM   #25
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how is that ^^^ mentality different from someone who tries to do a 200 lb. curl with a 4-inch range of motion and who should really be doing full range of motion with 80 lbs.? someone like this:

Failed attempt at a preacher curl - YouTube

and yet most people will be quick to criticize guys like this ^^^
Come on dude, there's an obvious difference between doing a sideways curl and hitting depth in a judged contest.
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Come on dude, there's an obvious difference between doing a sideways curl and hitting depth in a judged contest.
you're trying to make this a comparison of exercises. that's not what i asked. i asked how are the two mentalities different. schultz said:

1) "And taking it all the way down is bullshit too!"

2) "The point is to move the most weight possible."

how is this different from the too-heavy curler's reasoning?
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:16 PM   #27
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I fixed my leaning problem buy going from high to low....again, just shows everyone is different...try em both, see what works for YOU
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I fixed my leaning problem buy going from high to low....again, just shows everyone is different...try em both, see what works for YOU
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Yea thats why im switching to high bar to stop my forward leaning and get more out of my quads. im not going into powerlifting anytime soon so i could care less about moving weight (although its fun as fuck!) im gonna see for myself how it is and ill tell you guys whats up.

as for my depth, im gonna stick to my ATG squatting
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you're trying to make this a comparison of exercises. that's not what i asked. i asked how are the two mentalities different. schultz said:

1) "And taking it all the way down is bullshit too!"

2) "The point is to move the most weight possible."

how is this different from the too-heavy curler's reasoning?
Strict curl competitions have certain guidelines...
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how is that ^^^ mentality different from someone who tries to do a 200 lb. curl with a 4-inch range of motion and who should really be doing full range of motion with 80 lbs.? someone like this:

Failed attempt at a preacher curl - YouTube

and yet most people will be quick to criticize guys like this ^^^


Hahaha... You win! I can't argue with this.
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