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Old 05-18-2013, 10:44 AM   #1
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I see that lots of people here dislike crossfit style of training.

But why? I can see that they have pretty good exercises lined up for overall fitness and their idea doesn't seems any wrong, ''short, intense, timed workouts''. They also have some strength workouts sometimes.
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Why does the army hate the marines? Why do surgeons sometimes look down on other specialties? I think it is all just sibling rivalry and competition. I love to joke with crossfitters. It also has a lot to do with ego. When I was in the Army I was a Ranger and we would always talk crap to Special Forces because we were at the same level with them. The difference is that we were designed for completely different things. Even so we thought we were better than them but it was all just egos clashing.
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Nothing, IMO, people use the poor form reason quite a lot yet there is poor form seen in every aspect of sport, and I know that some crossfitter places use Oly trained people to teach.

I've watched a specialised youtube vid where it's explained to crossfitters about the differences between pull-ups and kipping and another style of inbetween pull-up, in fact they had better pull-up technique, when they were doing the pull-ups (not the kipping) than most people I've seen do pull-ups.

It's just another system that some people prefer over others out there and it can't be denied that a good percentage of them are fit.
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There are a myriad of things wrong with crossfit.

1. This one is already in the original question. They do strength workouts sometimes. SOMETIMES? I don't see much point in doing anything sometimes. If I'm doing something I want to be as good as possible at it, and crossfit makes people just kind of good at a few things. Actually, the main thing it makes you better at is crossfit, and who cares? It's supposed to be a training system. Who cares if you get better at training but have no way of showing it?

If you want to be great at something then you can't try to be great at lots of other things too.

2. "functional fitness"? That's their whole thing, and it pisses me off. I can deadlift a lot of weight. I can squat and bench quite a bit too. If you think that my strength is not applicable if you take away the barbell and make me lift something that's oddly shaped or awkward to hold, then you're going to be disappointed when the strength I developed with weights turns out to be real damn functional no matter what I'm picking up or moving, and I didn't have to do any weird, stupid "exercises" some jackass came up with on his way to work to get it.

I'm ok with unorthodox training, but why mess with possible injury and looking like a moron when the basics work so damn well?

3. One of the reasons that the Americans keep getting their asses kicked in weightlifting every 4 years in the Olympics, even though we have one of the largest talent pools in the world, is because our team focusses almost exclusively on the events themselves; the clean and jerk and the snatch. This is all based on the premise that if you want to lift more in the clean and jerk and the snatch then you should TRAIN the clean and jerk and the snatch. But those lifts aren't designed to be training tools. They are designed as a collective TEST of overall body strength, and no matter how good you are at the lifts, it's all for not if you aren't STRONG AS F$(&.

So crossfit comes along and takes some of the most dangerous, technical lifts ever created which are also some of the most useless for building strength and has you do them when you're already out of breath. Oh yeah, great idea there. I should also mention that the worse you are at these lifts, the less effective they are for building strength because you CAN'T EFFECTIVELY LOAD THE MOVEMENT. THAT'S the key. Squats and deadlifts are so much easier to teach and get right compared to cleans and snatches, and therefore they can be loaded more effectively to yield better, safer results.

But in the end effective loading is what this is all about. If you go run, then do some other weird stuff, then try to lift all in a times circuit, you're never going to get the most out of each activity. You won't run as hard as you could, and you won't lift as heavy as you could if you gave special attention to each thing and gave it it's own time in your programming.

They sacrifice effective programming to be cool and hardcore, and people are eating it up.

4. Pushing yourself to the edge of consciousness and trying to get yourself to puke are both STUPID. EFFING STUPID. You burn yourself out without ever really getting anything out of it. Yes, I push myself when I train, and most people who train DON'T push themselves nearly enough, but more isn't always better. You have to know when to push yourself and when to back off to get the most out of your sessions, and again, that comes into play with effective programming that's based on a combination of science, experience, and past results.

Sometimes I'll go to PT in the morning and someone will be complaining about how they can't lift their arms and their shoulders are so sore because they went to the gym yesterday with someone else who made them do shoulders for an hour straight. Lateral raises, overhead press, overhead press MACHINE, lateral raise MACHINE (why the Hell do people feel the need to do dozens of sets of redundant exercises?), then they finish off with shrugs in the squat rack. They have fallen into the trap of "more is better", and now they can't feel their hands and their shoulders ache for days and days. They think they're being hardcore and training hard, but they're really just training stupid and paying the price later on. Just like crossfit.
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I don't know a huge amount about it, but so far I can't see anything to dislike. Seems to combine elements of strength, flexibility, balance, endurance, and cardiovascular fitness.

Some of the higher level people are doing very impressive stuff. A 60kg woman overhead squatting 80kg is formidably strong, in my view.

I agree with RGRthat - it's just tribalism.
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4. Pushing yourself to the edge of consciousness and trying to get yourself to puke are both STUPID. EFFING STUPID. You burn yourself out without ever really getting anything out of it. Yes, I push myself when I train, and most people who train DON'T push themselves nearly enough, but more isn't always better. You have to know when to push yourself and when to back off to get the most out of your sessions, and again, that comes into play with effective programming that's based on a combination of science, experience, and past results.
I know that some people find the fanatic/cult mentality crazy and off putting but I love it. They found something they like and they go balls to the wall. What is the point in doing something if you don't give it everying you have.
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I know that some people find the fanatic/cult mentality crazy and off putting but I love it. They found something they like and they go balls to the wall. What is the point in doing something if you don't give it everying you have.
When giving it everything you have actually decreases the effectiveness of your workout. That's actually part of my point. Crossfitters don't give everything they have. They give a little of what they have to running, a little to Olympic lifting, a little to gymnastics movements, and a little to strength training.
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When giving it everything you have actually decreases the effectiveness of your workout. That's actually part of my point. Crossfitters don't give everything they have. They give a little of what they have to running, a little to Olympic lifting, a little to gymnastics movements, and a little to strength training.
But that's the whole point of crossfit, so why is that a problem? To my knowledge, the entire point of crossfit is to be fit across the board not to necessarily excel at any one thing; puking aside, and taking in to account that they probably don't all puke, and the fact that ordinary gym lifters puke too without doing crossfit...we see the same mentalities there, with the "no pain, no gain" rubbish which still does the rounds.

They choose crossfit because they get out of it what they want, it suits their goals, it doesn't have to suit your goals, which is why you do what you do and they don't.
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i dislike it because you don't need it. it's not a category of lifts like "Olympic," "powerlifting," or "strongman," it's repackaging exercises in a trendy name with overpriced gyms and a "new" image. there's nothing new about anything they're doing.
it's another thing that annoys me because it's a reminder to me that many people need new fads, new "packaging" to take an interest in something. do you want to be lean and strong? you could've been doing that for years with Oly, powerlifting, and/or strongman. there isn't anything cross fit gyms do that you can point to and say "that originated with cross fit."
to me, cross fit is about image and people buying into this image.

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it doesn't have to suit your goals, which is why you do what you do and they don't.
...but the thread title is "What's wrong with Cross Fit?" and he just said what he thinks is wrong with cross fit: namely that if they put the same effort into mastering a few lifts instead of dabbling in a thousand lifts, they'd be formidable lifters. this seems valid; he's not just saying something ignorant like "because it's stupid." are you trying to silence anyone who believes there's something wrong with it? doesn't that go against the point of the thread...?

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