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Old 04-17-2013, 04:29 PM   #21
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I dont understand a "portion"...

One of those posts said "Usda says a bagle should be 2 oz." Lol. What? A bagle can be any size it wants to be. I understand a serving size to quantify how much you're eating. I also understand the average person just plain eats too much.

Dont take this post as being smart... i seriously just dont get this. I eat two large meals a day. In my later meal, i eat at least 16 oz of meat. I could very easily eat that same amount is 3 or 4 smaller meals. ( over 5 if i went with the usda size of 3 oz listed earlier) so my portion size is 16 oz.

Is this thread just discussing the amount people eat in each meal compared to earlier years, or is it saying we should only eat 3 oz of meat at one time, etc?
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I dont understand a "portion"...

One of those posts said "Usda says a bagle should be 2 oz." Lol. What? A bagle can be any size it wants to be. I understand a serving size to quantify how much you're eating. I also understand the average person just plain eats too much.

Dont take this post as being smart... i seriously just dont get this. I eat two large meals a day. In my later meal, i eat at least 16 oz of meat. I could very easily eat that same amount is 3 or 4 smaller meals. ( over 5 if i went with the usda size of 3 oz listed earlier) so my portion size is 16 oz.

Is this thread just discussing the amount people eat in each meal compared to earlier years, or is it saying we should only eat 3 oz of meat at one time, etc?
The thread is basically just highlighting the differences over the years in relation to portion sizes and what a portion size is, which I've thrown in because some really don't know what is suggested as constituting a portion.


It doesn't matter whether a person eats 11 portions of the item (say carbs) in one meal or in two sittings, just that many don't even realise what one portion is and would see it as a plateful. And for those that are working out and/or bulking, it's different anyway, since they will naturally eat more (more portions) etc.

With regard to the bagel, yes, a bagel can be any size, the main point is that a person will see a bagel as one portion when in reality it constitutes 2-3 portions in relation to the food pyramid and such, in much the same way as a person that will fill a bowl with cereal and not realise that they are having the equivalent of 3 servings of carbs and not the one which they see as being a single bowlful.

Does that help at all?


Strangely for people using the food pyramid and knowing the suggested serving sizes, it can work, but not if they have no clue.

If I'd told people I was eating 11-14 portions of carbs, that would have been seen as a lot of carbs but the reality is very different.

With the alteration of food sizes over the years, people are just getting caught in a vicious circle of weight gain without necessarily understanding why; I thought it would be nice to show the way fiood portions/sizes have altered over the years.
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Thanks for the clarification. The food pyramid is what i was missing. Now i understand what you're saying.

Some insight from someone else... i dont pay the food pyramid ANY attention. I also don't pay any attention to a "recommended portion size". Maybe its because i'm a little more knowledgeable about nutrition than an average couch potatoe. I think along the lines of grams of proteins, carbs, and fats, and modify macros to meet whatever goal i have at the time. So if i'm aiming to eat 300 grams of carbs, it doesnt matter to me what a "portion" of pasta is by usda definition. It matters to me how much pasta is 300 grams worth of carbs.

Just food for thought.
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Thanks for the clarification. The food pyramid is what i was missing. Now i understand what you're saying.

Some insight from someone else... i dont pay the food pyramid ANY attention. I also don't pay any attention to a "recommended portion size". Maybe its because i'm a little more knowledgeable about nutrition than an average couch potatoe. I think along the lines of grams of proteins, carbs, and fats, and modify macros to meet whatever goal i have at the time. So if i'm aiming to eat 300 grams of carbs, it doesnt matter to me what a "portion" of pasta is by usda definition. It matters to me how much pasta is 300 grams worth of carbs.

Just food for thought.



That's the thing, some people don't have a clue and find counting in calories, grams etc to be a nightmare. I read a book, some years ago now No More Mr Fat Guy which highlighted that the portions recommended on the pyramid which suggest 4-11 carb portions (just picking on carbs because I can't recall the other recommendations off the top of my head) work for smaller person, medium sized person, larger sized person (height/frame etc), so a smaller person would eat 4-5 maybe 6 portions, a medium sized person would select from the mid-range of those figures and the larger framed person would select towards the top-end...and then the person would tweak, add or deduct if it wasn't working for them. It oddly, also works out at around the calorie needs for the individual, give or take a little either way.

As I say though, for people working out, it would be completely different, they tend to use macros, set amounts of protein etc, which the pyramid/portion idea doesn't account for.



It's interesting to see how food sizes/packaging has altered over the decades too; the portion distortion aspect of the thread revolves around that as opposed to what a portion is or is recommended as but I think it goes a long way to indicating where bodyweights have spiralled out of control without most of us knowing why...that and less activity, obviously.
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With the Grandmother's plate, in the image below, I'm not so sure that's a correct representation of 10" but since it's just to show the generalised relationship between a 1960s (??) and modern family and restaurant portion, it works, to some degree, even if, IMO, not entirely accurate:


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