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Old 06-08-2012, 09:52 AM   #21
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This all seems strange to me... my best row is 230ish. My best paused raw bench is 340... maybe i have some huge potential for gains if i get my rowing strength up???
Your back is your foundation after all, so it definitely can't hurt.
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I hit a 430 raw bench in 1997 while rowing 225. I had really weak relative back strength back then. (I also had brutal elbow tendinitis as well, for what it's worth)
What were you deadlifting and squatting then?
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Your back is your foundation after all, so it definitely can't hurt.
True! I'm actually focusing hard on upper back strength at the moment, so this should be a nice experiment...
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:45 AM   #24
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Don't forget the lats! Before people jump down my neck, lats and upper back are different muscle groups.
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:54 AM   #25
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Don't forget the lats! Before people jump down my neck, lats and upper back are different muscle groups.
Totally agree.
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Totally agree.
You'd be surprised how many firefights I get into with people in regards to that.
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You'd be surprised how many firefights I get into with people in regards to that.
Hehe I can imagine.

For me the difference really shows up when Benching in and out of gear. Generally I'm much more of a lat bencher when shirted and much more upper back orientated when I'm training raw. It just seems to work better for me.
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What were you deadlifting and squatting then?


I was into bodybuilding style training mostly until 2009, then I started to turn a bit. I squatted 405 for a max and wasn't deadlifting.
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Hehe I can imagine.

For me the difference really shows up when Benching in and out of gear. Generally I'm much more of a lat bencher when shirted and much more upper back orientated when I'm training raw. It just seems to work better for me.
If you're a reverse grip bencher, you're more of a lat bencher raw also because your elbows are completely tucked, and the bar path is lower on your torso. Funny how everything works.
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If you're a reverse grip bencher, you're more of a lat bencher raw also because your elbows are completely tucked, and the bar path is lower on your torso. Funny how everything works.
True, I might actually give rev.grip a try again. I did it a few years back but I think I may be more suited to it now.
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