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Old 05-25-2014, 06:20 AM   #21
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Geared lifters don't last long? I lifted raw, not competing for about 30 years. Then I got into gear for benching only. Hitting 8+ at almost 59 years old with the support of a single ply shirt. I guess it comes down to what you thing "long" is.
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On the drugs piece...I read on another forum that a lifter was using 100mg dianabol a day for 8 weeks, then 300mg a day for another two weeks, then 500mg a day during meet week and 900mg on meet day! I'm not sure if this lifter was raw or geared, but I don't really think that is relevant.

I dont know if that person is on this forum as well, but I highly doubt it as most people on this forum have a brain in their head. I understand pushing human limits, but how long can a person expect to keep something like this up? I hear what JB is saying regarding drugs, and I can see that being the limiting factor for a lot of lifters in this age of asronomical megadosing. The body can only handle so much whether that is skeletal loading or exogenous hormone abuse. With that type of abuse, the individual eventually comes to a fork in the road where they will have to choose continuous abuse and pain and an early grave, or to quit the sport. Since going off drugs to continue lifting is generally not an option that comes to mind for this type (in my opinion), I think most people wind up dropping out.

Maybe this could explain the phenomenon we are talking about in this thread? Or at least be a contributing factor?
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Geared lifters don't last long? I lifted raw, not competing for about 30 years. Then I got into gear for benching only. Hitting 8+ at almost 59 years old with the support of a single ply shirt. I guess it comes down to what you thing "long" is.
That is what I love to hear. I trained like an idiot when I was younger, I sure like most everyone else, but now days much more disciplined and it feels good. I think your body should operate fairly well until you die. Ryano has a couple of years on me so I've got time to get my lifts to his level. Nice.
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On the drugs piece...I read on another forum that a lifter was using 100mg dianabol a day for 8 weeks, then 300mg a day for another two weeks, then 500mg a day during meet week and 900mg on meet day! I'm not sure if this lifter was raw or geared, but I don't really think that is relevant.

I dont know if that person is on this forum as well, but I highly doubt it as most people on this forum have a brain in their head. I understand pushing human limits, but how long can a person expect to keep something like this up? I hear what JB is saying regarding drugs, and I can see that being the limiting factor for a lot of lifters in this age of asronomical megadosing. The body can only handle so much whether that is skeletal loading or exogenous hormone abuse. With that type of abuse, the individual eventually comes to a fork in the road where they will have to choose continuous abuse and pain and an early grave, or to quit the sport. Since going off drugs to continue lifting is generally not an option that comes to mind for this type (in my opinion), I think most people wind up dropping out.

Maybe this could explain the phenomenon we are talking about in this thread? Or at least be a contributing factor?
Definitely a contributing factor. Longevity comes from knowing how to push yourself just enough to improve without going past what your body can take. That philosophy has to be applied to gear as well as training. A big part of the reason that people think there's a steroid epidemic is that people get stupid with it. People get results when they're on, then they assume that the only way to keep getting stronger cycle after cycle is to increase the dosage.
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That's great.

30 years of raw lifting. But how long have you been in equipped lifting? Remember I said: equipped lifters seem to have a few years, raw a few decades. This is not from me, but from an accomplished equipped lifter, you can listen to his whole interview here; feel free to message Joe Ladnier and tell him he's wrong.

Do you think your 30 years of raw lifting might have built a useful base for your equipped lifting, a base which someone with 2-3 years of raw lifting wouldn't have?
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My husband has been lifting equipped for 35 years. He still holds the world record for 50-55 squat for his weight class.
His training partner has been lifting geared even longer. He holds several world records in more than one weight class and division.

Raw or geared, it's know-how that keeps you in the game.

We've owned a PL gym for 20 years or so now, with both raw and geared lifters.
On a competitive level at least, the geared lifters have longer careers.
Or at least that has been our experience.

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