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Old 03-18-2014, 06:40 PM   #11
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Did not watch this video. But based on the image, this so called guru has not made a single gain in the X amount of years he has been online making videos. He needs to shut up and actually achieve something.
Also, does he even know Louie Simmons?
Him not having an impressive physique or strength does not make his statements less legitimate.
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Did not watch this video. But based on the image, this so called guru has not made a single gain in the X amount of years he has been online making videos. He needs to shut up and actually achieve something.
Also, does he even know Louie Simmons?
Would you tell an engineer at NASA that he needs to shut up because he hasn't ever built his own space shuttle? Ian even pre-emptively adresses this in the beginning of video because it's always brought up.

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He did not address this. I think when you get into AAS, it changes the game regarding both training and nutrition. I do know that the body is able to synthesize protein more quickly when AAS are involved, but I do not know if using AAS causes a higher rate of catabolism when the proteins are not there. My thought is no, but that isn't really based on anything. Just a guess.
That's not even really a guess. If a claim has nothing backing it up, it's not 'a guess' to then for the time being assume that it is not true, possibly changing your point of view when in the future evidence does show up.
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:24 PM   #13
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I see no reason whatsoever why anyone capable of reading should waste his or her time getting third-hand interpreted and filtered information from yet another scrawny kid on the internet with an inflated ego, calling himself a bodybuilder. For fuck's sake. Come on now, people. "An engineer at NASA" ? Oh, yeeeeaaaah. LOLOL. Apples to apples, fo' sho'.

The fact that he appears to have some kind of following doesn't actually surprise me (sadly), and yet, it's indicative of one of the more serious issues plaguing the "online fitness community" (yes, lol).

After all, so does the other "bodybuilder" in question here, apparently...
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He actually isn't "scrawny" have you looked at any photos besides the initial still in the video?

Additionally, do you know any natural bodybuilders? Have you seen them in their offseasons? They look like the average joe, and most of them are under 200 pounds.

Not trying to start an argument but what most people perceive as bodybuilders are very far away from what a lot of the natural bodybuilders looks like, especially the lightweights.
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Turns out the kid has been doing this crap for years. So even if he's somewhat less scrawny than he was (and wow, he really was, while making ridiculous claims all over the place), the fact remains that he's not achieved anything of note (that I could see anywhere I looked), and hasn't trained anyone who's achieved anything of note (same goes here) either. And yet, he trumps himself up as though he has the right to be a "guru"... somehow.

Oh, and I don't know if he's still trying to shit all over relatively accomplished lifters left and right with "Science!", but again, he certainly has done a number of times.

Weak, full of himself, and lacking basic respect. Well, hopefully not the last of those any more, but still. Not a recipe for awesome, AFAIC. Not even someone I would trust in the slightest, for that matter.
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That's not even really a guess. If a claim has nothing backing it up, it's not 'a guess' to then for the time being assume that it is not true, possibly changing your point of view when in the future evidence does show up.
Your statement isn't very clear, but what I think you are saying is that my guess isn't really a guess because I could be wrong? I think you are referring to an "educated guess"?

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to arrive at or commit oneself to an opinion about (something) without having sufficient evidence to support the opinion fully

So yes, my statement was a guess. I do not have sufficient evidence to support my opinion that AAS does not slow down catabolism. But, it is possible to make a guess and be wrong.
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Upset fanboys are upset. I am of the opinion that if someone in there physical prime can't apply there own ideas and science to themselves and achieve some sort of results, they are nothing more than a talking head.
If my opinion upsets you that is tough. E-gurus are a dime a dozen. I have achieved results, without some e-gurus opinion. I suggest you do the same by whatever means get you there. If his advice is what you use to progress, more power to you. Go do it. But don't cry to me about my lack of respect for an e-gurus opinion. My muscle mass is not concerned with you or him.
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I've just watched both videos. I've not seen him before.

I thought the introduction about the veracity of a claim being independent from who's making it was right on the money - and quite well articulated.

Despite this, the objections to what he is saying seem to be based just on his appearance, and not on the substance of what he's saying. And what he's saying seems pretty straightforward and sensible: stop worrying about the minutiae of nutrient timing over the day, just eat appropriate amounts.

What's not to like about that?

For years, magazines told us that you can't absorb more than 30g of protein at a sitting, you have to scarf down protein 12.6 minutes after you left the gym etc. Most of this advice came from 'real world experience'.

The problem with taking advice from someone based on real-world success is that you may end up with a bucketful of red herrings. I well remember a bodybuilding friend of mine, an absolutely colossal dude, who used to get up at 2 am for some more protein in case he 'went catabolic' And he coached other people to do the same! I would say he got to that size in spite of his 2am feeds, not because of them. Another example: 40 years ago, some bodybuilders swore that powdered gland extracts gave them the edge, which we now know has to be complete bollocks (literally).

Being a great coach or lifter doesn't insulate against giving terrible advice. Look at Poliquin: I would literally bet my mortgage that some of the stuff he has clients doing is worthless. But on balance he gets so much right that the complete clunkers go under the radar.

It's therefore tough to figure out whether someone really succeeds because of techniques A, B and C which he uses. To me the only sensible way is to evaluate a claim is to test it in some sort of controlled environment. With regard to nutrient timing, the evidence seems to say that it doesn't really matter that much. Again, just eat the right amounts overall. I would have thought that this is common-sense advice that we can all embrace.

To me, it doesn't matter whether it's Ian McCarthy saying it, Arnold Schwarzenegger or Bozo the Clown. What matters is whether he's got his facts straight.
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I think Tann put it well and sums up my feelings about this whole thing.
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What would happen in the gym if a guy like Ian McCarthy went up to a guy like Roger Ryan in the gym and started giving Roger bench press advice?
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