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Old 02-25-2014, 02:09 PM   #11
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I tend to get real bad G.I. problems from subway, know a few others who do also, culprit according to net knowolgists is the preservatives on the lettuce. Pretty sure chemicals in the bread can't be good either though. Subway...eat death.
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Truth about azocarbonamide in certain bread products: As a food additive, azocarbonamide may only be used in tiny amounts, accounting for no more than .0045 percent of treated flour.

You don't actually ingest any azodicarbonamide when you eat bread made with it. During the mixing process, it breaks down into biurea, a compound that is readily excreted from the body. Other byproducts include semicarbazide and ethyl carbamate.

Ethyl carbamate, while potentially a carcinogen, is actually more of a concern for people who drink excessive alcohol since it's a byproduct of yeast fermentation.

Moral of Story: Subway bread doesn't contain "rubber" and you won't die if you eat it... But Quiznos is better anyway
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Old 02-25-2014, 02:30 PM   #13
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Why do they have things like that in there? Just curious if it helps with preservation of ingredients or what.
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Why do they have things like that in there? Just curious if it helps with preservation of ingredients or what.
Extends shelf-life, increases taste, improves texture, helps bind ingredients, etc
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Old 02-26-2014, 07:21 AM   #15
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Truth about azocarbonamide in certain bread products: As a food additive, azocarbonamide may only be used in tiny amounts, accounting for no more than .0045 percent of treated flour.

You don't actually ingest any azodicarbonamide when you eat bread made with it. During the mixing process, it breaks down into biurea, a compound that is readily excreted from the body. Other byproducts include semicarbazide and ethyl carbamate.

Ethyl carbamate, while potentially a carcinogen, is actually more of a concern for people who drink excessive alcohol since it's a byproduct of yeast fermentation.

Moral of Story: Subway bread doesn't contain "rubber" and you won't die if you eat it... But Quiznos is better anyway
So, that's what you were prattling on about the other day in the shout box...you don't need to take sarcasm to the shout box regarding a thread that's been put up, especially since you clearly added to this thread anyway.


People seem to love to pull that "it may only be used in tiny amounts" card; every time, whether it's sweeteners or other additives, we see this constantly pulled. I don't care how tiny the amount is that they're permitted to use; do you know how many people are allergic/intolerant and/or just plain react to these tiny amounts that everybody keeps defending for the commercial companies? I'm sure the symptoms they suffer wouldn't be things half the people that defend the use and back the producers using them would like to endure themselves.

Neither can they or do they guarantee that those minute/tiny amounts are strictly adhered to as attested to by the recall of Uncle Ben's which had way over the limit of Niacin (?) in it, a deadly compound in set doses.


Go ahead and inform people that these tiny amounts will have absolutely no adverse affects, if that's what you truly believe; or go and do some research about those that do react and then reconsider your view or at the very least be polite enough to state that some people do react to very small doses...as it is, you categorically outright state that nobody will ever suffer or have an issue and that is wrong and irresponsible.
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While I don't agree that the small amounts used should be acceptable, for the general mass it will not cause an adverse reaction. However, I do think that most people should make themselves informed before ingesting anything that they haven't prepared. It is just the safe way to do things.

For better or worse, the US is not as stringent as countries across the pond, it is the way it is. From my own research, I personally believe that the small amount in subway's bread won't hurt you, I again use the rule to check it before you eat it if you have health concerns.

A lot of ingredients that are mentioned to cause adverse reactions or that are harmful to the body in some way, must be ingested in such a large quantity over time that it is just about impossible to get that (see BPA). Studies get blown out of proportion when they find that ingredients cause adverse reactions, seeing only that it does cause it but not focusing on the amount that causes it.

Just my view from working in the chemical industry. But, I do agree with 5kg in the fact that it doesn't apply to everyone, so make sure you know what your body can handle.
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A lot of ingredients that are mentioned to cause adverse reactions or that are harmful to the body in some way, must be ingested in such a large quantity over time that it is just about impossible to get that (see BPA). Studies get blown out of proportion when they find that ingredients cause adverse reactions, seeing only that it does cause it but not focusing on the amount that causes it.

Just my view from working in the chemical industry. But, I do agree with 5kg in the fact that it doesn't apply to everyone, so make sure you know what your body can handle.


so what's the real story with BPA?
from what I've seen and read its absolutely toxic
In fact, I might start a new tread to continue this.
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Feel free to make another thread or PM me if you'd like. Once of my first projects as an engineer was developing a BPA free coating for can/bottle's/etc. It was a big push from the US since most of the EU had banned it.

All the research does point to it being toxic (and it is). The issue is when it is used for coatings, you're not getting the full amount. The testing done showed that when mice ingested BPA (100% reactive, pure) they have severe adverse effects (ie death). However, the rate of desorption of BPA from the coating to whatever fluid was in the container is so slow that it would take 10 lifetimes for someone to reach the dangerous level of BPA needed for adverse effects.

But, all it takes is a study to show that it can happen, and from there the words can be twisted to make that product look terrible.
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Go ahead and inform people that these tiny amounts will have absolutely no adverse affects, if that's what you truly believe; or go and do some research about those that do react and then reconsider your view or at the very least be polite enough to state that some people do react to very small doses...as it is, you categorically outright state that nobody will ever suffer or have an issue and that is wrong and irresponsible.
Edit: I hope that is not what is inferred from my post as, yes, SOME individuals with specific allergies MAY have adverse reactions to these compounds.
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