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Old 11-18-2013, 01:45 AM   #1
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I guess this has been something brewing for a little while..

I know this is a lot to read, but it's very interesting.

Most everyone knows who Kelly Starrett is and that he wrote "How to become a Supple Leopard" The book is filled with tons of info... Now I have learned alot from it, but I have alway though so much of it was just off to me. This all started about the phrase "Push your Knees out" like on squats. There has been alot of injuries and they seem to be coming back to that phrase. Guess what it's mainly coming from the Crossfit crowd..haha

They keep going back and forth about From and Pushing the knees out, but I haven't read it all yet. So far no one has brought up the difference between Weighlifters and Crossfitters way of Squats.. Weighlifters(PL,BB,SM) Are all controlled movements. Slower action then a Crossfitter doing as many as they can for time... Bouncing at the bottom every rep over and over again. Which I could see being an issue very fast. When you do it for Speed... Your muscles are not used as much to stop you at the bottom of the squat. I would think the tendons and ligaments would be strecthed hard as you bottomed out. Causing your Knees, Hip and Back to track weird. Read the last link I posted.

Anyway... You guys can take it how ever.. Give it a read..

http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/...pard-vs-world/

The Blogs

http://www.takanoathletics.com/blog/?p=3269

http://www.takanoathletics.com/blog/?p=3272

http://www.takanoathletics.com/blog/?p=3276

http://www.takanoathletics.com/blog/?p=3280

http://www.takanoathletics.com/blog/?p=3286

http://www.takanoathletics.com/blog/?p=3289


Also here is another thing to add I found the other day..

Hip Flexibility/ROM Does NOT Increase Functional Strength

http://mobile.journals.lww.com/nsca-...&article=00001
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What I think is that so many Crossfit Cert. trainers (haha) took the Knees out phrase to far. For me I always took it as don't let your knees cave in to much and collasp.

Like this...His knees are collasped and his feet as well...Which is tough to do in Oly shoes. This is when you would stat Knee's out.. Keep your Feet Flat.




Dan Green kind of went over this not to long ago.
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Ye I've read some of it, not had time to get through it all though. This is Kelly Starretts response (I think, again haven't had time to watch).

http://www.mobilitywod.com/2013/11/c...nees-in-squat/
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Not to get too caught up with the details here but I think the take-home point in Mwod's video response is to understand the context where their cue is coming from AND to whom it's addressed to. It was even said aloud a couple of times during their discussion. I'm not saying parts of the critique on Juggernaut's site wouldn't be spot on, especially when Starrett's comment how their methods can fix everyone's problems was addressed, but there's more to Starrett's instructions than just the 'force your knees out' tip, like having a neutral spine/posture, bracing the core/protecting the spine properly and having good mobility in your ankles, for instance. Human body works as a unit so there's no point in getting caught up with just one detail.

Even though I'm a huge Starrett fanboy, as he has helped me a lot with the issues I have had + I've begun to understand more in depth how our bodies work and what aspects need to be addressed when dealing with certain issues, but I always keep my censors up when being introduced to new ideas no matter if those tips come from Supple Leopard -camp or from someone else.
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Interesting stuff. I have always heard knees out. This is the first time I've heard anyone make an argument other wise.
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Interesting stuff. I have always heard knees out. This is the first time I've heard anyone make an argument other wise.
I don't think either are really saying Knees out is a bad que. It's the forcing the knees out of there natural tracking. I've read it all now and it's kind of dumb they are basically saying similar things and kind of actually agreeing, but are breaking it down and attacking on the play of words. Many of these So called Crossfit Certified Level 1 tards. Are couching 1000's of people are just learning to Squat and may deadlift too. So the new couch has always heard Knees out, not really know what it meant. This Leeds to 1000's of new trainees being told knees out buy a new couch him self. So now you have new couches couching groups of people that don't know jack about Squating. So they hear Knees out and just repeat it, because it sounds cool now. Yes your Knees need to stay out, but they also need to stay in track with while leg


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