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Old 08-21-2013, 11:26 PM   #11
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i try to eat "clean" but not that hard, honestly.
i figure i can just wipe the bbq sauce off my face and lick my fingers clean.
no big deal.
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I say bullshit Steve. Yes, there are many definitions of clean eating. Mine is: Eating foods that are in their most natural state. I have been doing this for 10 years now and have medical proof it worked for me. Last year I was tested by an internal medicine specialist and was told I was the healthiest person tested ever. He said he wished he had my health. Imagine being told you have set the new standard in your country.

I think a lot of people argue about clean healthful eating because itt is very hard to do. I even did it on a 50 lb bulk.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:19 AM   #13
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Regarding the article itself... it's just the same old bullcrap, slapped together as a slightly differently polished turd.

Oh, and pathologising clean eating, as an actual disorder? Fark you, you sensationalist, auto-parroting halfwit.

Jeebus. The irony of these, to coin a term, "sheeple"... is amusing.
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Mine is: Eating foods that are in their most natural state. I have been doing this for 10 years now and have medical proof it worked for me. Last year I was tested by an internal medicine specialist and was told I was the healthiest person tested ever. He said he wished he had my health. Imagine being told you have set the new standard in your country.
But Jim, with the greatest respect, you don't have 'medical proof' that eating clean worked at all.

You have medical proof that you're super-healthy (and it must be fantastic to hear that!). You don't have medical proof that this is the result of your diet. There could be any number of reasons for your super-healthiness. You might feel very strongly that the diet is responsible for your health, but you can't know it.

Quite often someone has all sorts of health problems for years, makes some sort of change (e.g. cutting out food X) and starts feeling better. They then naturally assume that the change caused the improvement. One problem with this assumption is that the body can and does heal various problems on its own, and at unpredictable intervals. The second is that people rarely make a single change in their lifestyle at once. For example, they change their diet, and lose weight and change their training andfeel more positive because they're making changes. And so on.

An example of the body sorting itself out: when I was in my mid 20s, I had a fall. It was only about four feet, but I landed ona flat piece of rock. I hurt my knee and hip, but weirdly, after they recovered, I had arthritis-like symptoms everywhere. Some days I could barely straighten my fingers. This went on for months. It was very difficult to source any medical help because I was travelling through India and South East Asia. Eventually, it disappeared, and pretty quickly. I've no idea to this day how a fall can cause that or why the symptoms went. But supposing I had had the internet in those days, googled my symptoms, and 'discovered' it was all caused by eating too little XYZ or too much ABC, or that I could 'cure' it by wearing a copper bracelet. If I had made a particular change and then slowly got better, I'm sure for the rest of my life I would have been convinced that it was the change that improved my health.

The point of my long-winded post is that we have to be really careful about using 'it worked for me' statements as evidence. If you changed your diet and good things started happeneing, then (a) excellent, good for you and (b) maybe it was down to the diet. But that's a long way from proof.
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Oh, and pathologising clean eating, as an actual disorder? Fark you, you sensationalist, auto-parroting halfwit.
You don't think that some people's obsessive avoidance of killer-food type X gets a bit on the nutty side?

Overall, though, I do think that calling clean eating a pathology is a getting carried away with the argument. The definition would be based on an irrational avoidance of particular foodstuffs. But if someone really believes even small quantities of a particular food are going to damage his health (because he read it on Naturalnews )then it would be completely rational to avoid those foods.

I think the author fails to distinguish between irrational and ill-informed.
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Regarding the article itself... it's just the same old bullcrap, slapped together as a slightly differently polished turd.

Oh, and pathologising clean eating, as an actual disorder? Fark you, you sensationalist, auto-parroting halfwit.

Jeebus. The irony of these, to coin a term, "sheeple"... is amusing.
It can be a disorder. People force themselves to eat bland food while constantly craving "tasty" food. Eventually they break and binge eat like crazy, which can have a negative effect of metabolic capacity. I think the alternative of just being flexible and tracking your food instead of obsessing over "clean" and "dirty" foods is a much better alternative for overall health. The article says whole foods, micros and fibre are still important, they aren't giving you a license to eat whatever you want.

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It would be fair to say my proof is circumstantial, but it's overwhelming. If someone wants to call my adherence to my strict diet as a disorder, that's fine. My disorder also saved my eyesight and has virtually wiped out myy lower back arthritis. Again, circumstantial. However, ii have now stumped 3 eye surgeons, 2 sports medicine docs, and an internal medicine specialist. They have all told me there're is no medical treatment or reason for what has happened. The only changes I made were dietary. I do not know exactly which dietary change or supplement is mainly responsible, but to me it's common sense that it is some combination.

Genetics is not responsible as my family history is one of poor and failing health.

All the Docs have told me now to not change a thing now and to keep doing what I am doing. I do occasionally have a cheat, and ii certainly do not advocate people never should enjoy or indulge in something they love.

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It would be fair to say my proof is circumstantial, but it's overwhelming. If someone wants to call my adherence to my strict diet as a disorder, that's fine. My disorder also saved my eyesight and has virtually wiped out myy lower back arthritis. Again, circumstantial. However, ii have now stumped 3 eye surgeons, 2 sports medicine docs, and an internal medicine specialist. They have all told me there're is no medical treatment or reason for what has happened. The only changes I made were dietary. I do not know exactly which dietary change or supplement is mainly responsible, but to me it's common sense that it is some combination.

Genetics is not responsible as my family history is one of poor and failing health.

All the Docs have told me now to not change a thing now and to keep doing what I am doing. I do occasionally have a cheat, and ii certainly do not advocate people never should enjoy or indulge in something they love.

You are what you eat.
Well, more power to you. And yes, if went on a particular diet and you started improving at the same time, of course it would be nuts to change anything.

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