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Old 06-02-2013, 07:25 PM   #11
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Personally, I lift both raw and equipped, and both are completely different. I don't even treat them like the same lift. .
They really shouldn't be too much different (lest from my point of view). Even my multiply squat doesn't change much. Only thing I change is the width of my feet. I try to get down fast either way. That stuff is painful! haha

As far as the original question, Solider hit it pretty good I think. You don't have much arch, or your hams and gluts are not being loaded. Could also be an air issue. Normally if I am able to keep my air in the bottom of my gut I am much more explosive. If you get a chance to post a video let me know and I will give you my .02 for what its worth.
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Old 06-02-2013, 07:57 PM   #12
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They really shouldn't be too much different (lest from my point of view). Even my multiply squat doesn't change much. Only thing I change is the width of my feet. I try to get down fast either way. That stuff is painful! haha
Well, we both know that I'm still learning, especially in gear, but my equipped squat had gotten wider and slower every time I put my suit on. Meanwhile, my raw squat has remained much more narrow along with that quick drop I mentioned. Maybe later I'll find a happy median that will work best for both, but at this point I really do treat them as different lifts. I'm finding my equipped squat to be very westside-esque at this point. I even hold the bar higher with gear on because my torso stays more upright with the wider stance.

Also, VERY good point on the air. When I get a belly full of air it makes a massive difference at the bottom.
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Well, we both know that I'm still learning, especially in gear, but my equipped squat had gotten wider and slower every time I put my suit on. Meanwhile, my raw squat has remained much more narrow along with that quick drop I mentioned. Maybe later I'll find a happy median that will work best for both, but at this point I really do treat them as different lifts. I'm finding my equipped squat to be very westside-esque at this point. I even hold the bar higher with gear on because my torso stays more upright with the wider stance.

Also, VERY good point on the air. When I get a belly full of air it makes a massive difference at the bottom.
Nope I think we said the same thing, just misunderstood each other a little. I think the gear is slowing down you squat, not you slowing down your squat. If that makes sense. Either way, both ways are working for you now, it it aint broke DONT FIX IT!
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Just back from the gym! First up, screwed up with the video, forgot the card at home! BUT you guys were spot on with the advice. Got my stomach full of air, tightened everything as hard as I could and blew past last weeks weights! Also, getting the belt buckle parallel to the floor is a good tip, but I ended up with the weight forward on my toes on a few reps. I guess that's going to get better with practice. My knees are going too far forward too I think. Anyway, it was noticeably easier to get out of the hole. Thanks to ye all, and I'll try to get a video on Wednesday
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Just back from the gym! First up, screwed up with the video, forgot the card at home! BUT you guys were spot on with the advice. Got my stomach full of air, tightened everything as hard as I could and blew past last weeks weights! Also, getting the belt buckle parallel to the floor is a good tip, but I ended up with the weight forward on my toes on a few reps. I guess that's going to get better with practice. My knees are going too far forward too I think. Anyway, it was noticeably easier to get out of the hole. Thanks to ye all, and I'll try to get a video on Wednesday
Remember, facing your belt towards the ground is just a technique thought. You don't want to do it at the expense of other things, and it'll only work if you keep your chest up while you do it, because that's what creates the arch. A good arch will actually stop you right near parallel if you're strong enough to hold it when you get there.

It's awesome to hear that everything seems to be working for you. As for your knees, I'll withold advice until I can see a video.
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I have a question about "Bouncing".

I notice that the Powerlifting rules say that you can't bounce multiple times to get up momentum to rock out of the bottom position on a Squat.

Seriously now, If the rules did not forbade it, could someone with 500-900 or 1000 Pounds on their back do anything at all useful bobbing up and down?

It makes my knees ache just thinking about doing it with just 315.

I can't see bouncing with 500 or more would accomplish anything but destroying one's knees.

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So for most people in a raw meet (just knee wraps) is it better to drop fast or slow?
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Another thought on wraps: the more supportive gear I have, the slower I go. I like to actually feel the gear taking the weight away as I lower, and wraps are no different. Some, however, like a wrap with more rebound. I'm more of a cast-like guy, but even with wraps I drop more quickly if I'm raw.

I'd feel like my knees were going to be torn apart if I dropped hard with tight wraps. Again, just my personal preference.
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