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Old 05-12-2013, 01:54 PM   #11
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In my opinion if you're eating more food than your body needs to pack on muscle, you're also going to pack on some fat. Unless you're a super genetic freak or on the juice then there's really nothing you're gonna be able to do about that. You should just be happy that you're getting stronger and making progress in the gym! Who cares if you get a little pudgy?

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Over thinking things is a great way to fall into categories 1 and 2 in my opinion.
While people try to micro manage every small detail of their diet and workout they tend to lose focus on the simple things. Spending time in the gym and eating a little more than calories than your body needs to maintain it's current weight seem to work great for me and most people.
I believe this with every fiber in my body! People over think and second guess themselves ALL THE TIME and that's the one sure fire way to NOT SUCCEED. Just be smart about your food choices for the most part, but don't shy away from eating those goodies and just let the magic of HEAVY ASS LIFTING and INTENSITY do the rest of the work!
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Old 05-12-2013, 05:24 PM   #12
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I talked to Donnie Thompson about this once. He gained all his weight by only eating a few meals a day. Just very very large meals! And took in protein shakes in between. Only eating a couple meals slowed his metabolism down. He also trained like a mad man for hours on end so this could be his answer for staying leanish. He is one of the most muscular people I have ever seen
Every large mammal I know did this. Large meals, hours of training.

Training in an hour and eating big will get you fat.

Think about heavy compound movements where you take 3-5 mins between sets. Imagine the weights you could be pushing if you did that with your assistance work. That combined with food would equal growth.
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Old 05-12-2013, 06:36 PM   #13
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So what is an ideal caloric consumption for building muscle without porking up like a Sumo wrestler? A general guideline is to consume between 18 to 20 calories per pound of body weight. If you're a 200-pound guy, this equates to a target caloric intake of about 3600 to 4000 calories a day.
The interesting thing about this is that I rarely see anyone under 25 eat this many calories these days. They are all eating 2400 calories per day claiming they are gaining fat rapidly. (Which I don't buy for obvious reasons)

I only mention this because I rarely see any youngster these days eat over 2500 cals per day. They all think their maintenance levels are super low because of calculators.

If you suggest over 3000 cals 2/3rds of them will fall to the ground, twitching, eyes rolling, and the Curly shuffle will commence. They all laugh hilariously at you like you have lost your mind.
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I dont buy the 18-20x calories to bulk. I can lose, gain or maintain on 5k per day. Meal timing and macros are more important
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My body weight has not changed in 6 months. I am getting wide on top and narrow in the middle and making big gains on the bar! I eat clean and work hard in the gym! I agree meal timing and macros are the key!
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:39 PM   #16
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The interesting thing about this is that I rarely see anyone under 25 eat this many calories these days. They are all eating 2400 calories per day claiming they are gaining fat rapidly. (Which I don't buy for obvious reasons)

I only mention this because I rarely see any youngster these days eat over 2500 cals per day. They all think their maintenance levels are super low because of calculators.

If you suggest over 3000 cals 2/3rds of them will fall to the ground, twitching, eyes rolling, and the Curly shuffle will commence. They all laugh hilariously at you like you have lost your mind.
I used to use a calorie counter thing on my iPhone to track my macros and was eating about 4,000-5,000 calories a day when I was bulking. That's when I actually started to put on size, too. In the past when I would eat what the calculations said to (so like 2,800-3,500 or something like that) my physique didn't change, and neither did the weights I was pushing. Eating anything less than 3,000 calories a day is pointless, in my opinion, if you're trying to grow. But that's just my $0.02. Now-a-days everyone seems to be an "expert" or a guru and can bulk while keeping their precious abbies.

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Gidday there MAB folk, I hope this doesn't annoy anybody because I know there are some fairly staunch nutrition folk on here.

I have no real system in place, all this magical calories, macro's and protein levels have no place in my LIFE. I haven't the first clue how to even work that crap out. When I am Bulking or just living in general I eat plenty, I don't piss around. I have a big breakfast with milk, morning tea is food with milk, lunch is food with milk, afternoon tea is food with milk, Dinner is food with milk, supper is food with milk. However I do have a protein shake post workout because it just seems to be what the masses are doing, not too sure if it has ever done anything for me though. When I'm not bulking I simply don't drink as much milk and eat a little less. Thats it, no real hardship which ever way i am going. The only other thing I do is limit my alcohol because (A) I don't believe it will ever help my lifting and (B) working out with a hangover is cruel. But that is truly my Weightlifting eating habits and gains on the bar come often. Cheers, Nath.
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Old 05-13-2013, 03:41 AM   #18
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i'm with you on that that skids sounds very much how i do things and i have got stronger and gained muscle, if it works why not.
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The interesting thing about this is that I rarely see anyone under 25 eat this many calories these days. They are all eating 2400 calories per day claiming they are gaining fat rapidly. (Which I don't buy for obvious reasons)

I only mention this because I rarely see any youngster these days eat over 2500 cals per day. They all think their maintenance levels are super low because of calculators.

If you suggest over 3000 cals 2/3rds of them will fall to the ground, twitching, eyes rolling, and the Curly shuffle will commence. They all laugh hilariously at you like you have lost your mind.


I started on 3000, but everyone recommended I start slower until I'm gaining a good amount of weight each month.

2500 seems to be working for me fine now I've realized allot of what I thought was extra fat was water.

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They all think their maintenance levels are super low because of calculators.


How do your maintenance as a teen though? There aren't any teen specific calculators out there that I know of, everything has to go on an estimate.

I remember everyone telling me this a couple of months back, but I still never knew the answer to what my maintenance was. All I knew was that it'd be higher than your average person.
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