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Old 08-19-2012, 05:46 PM   #1
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The past few weeks I've been going ketogenic; consuming no more than ~30g of carbs per day and maximizing fat/protein intake. I've also been combining this with IF, eating two large meals per day.

My question is: Would you still be able to fuel lean mass/strength gains on Paleo without going full keto? i.e. Keeping in more veg/fruit in the diet and therefore not falling into ketosis on a regular basis?
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You probably could, but you wouldn't want to bounce in and out of ketosis a lot. Each switch over takes several days before I start to feel human again.
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You probably could, but you wouldn't want to bounce in and out of ketosis a lot. Each switch over takes several days before I start to feel human again.
It does get easier the more you do it, that's my experience anyway.

In regards to the original question, ketosis isn't necessary or the goal in itself. It's just a by product of what happens with that kind of diet.
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It does get easier the more you do it, that's my experience anyway.

In regards to the original question, ketosis isn't necessary or the goal in itself. It's just a by product of what happens with that kind of diet.
I ran 20-30g of net carbs a day for 12 months with cheats every 90 days. Dropped a huge amount of weight and you're right, it gets easier once you're in the groove. In the past 6 months, I've let myself get out of the groove and its a royal pain getting back into it and conquering carb addiction all over again
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Its pretty common that 130g/day of carbohydrate prevents ketosis from happening. I wouldn't ride the line between ketone and glucose based systems as you will end up breaking down a lot of protein to generate glucose. Pick which ever system you train and gain better on and stay in that system. Paleo doesnt have to be a mid carb diet it can be a high carb diet it is just a limitation of sources of food.
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Yeah, I figured. You'd have to be eating a lot of vegetables, etc to make up for a lack of starchy carbs unless you include tubers.
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Its pretty common that 130g/day of carbohydrate prevents ketosis from happening.
This is not locked in stone. When I last ate low carb, 100 g would move me out of ketosis. It varies from person to person.
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This is not locked in stone. When I last ate low carb, 100 g would move me out of ketosis. It varies from person to person.
You are completely correct there is quite a lot of variation. The 130g Carb is based on averages of regular (couch potatoes) people. My base point I think is valid that you don't want to ride the line between the 2 energy systems due to the potential protein losses.
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I personally subscribe to a Paleo diet. I agree it is mainly the food that you eat that distinguishes a Paleo diet. Paleo diet keeps away from dairy, grains and legumes. Grains containing gluten are especially cautioned against. A lot have been talked about the biochemistry of the forbidden food groups and their interactions with the body but mainly, is boils down to proteins that our bodies are not able to properly digest. These proteins are said to cause damage and inflammation to the gastrointestinal tract and subsequnet systemic immune dysfunction. other justification is evolutionary basis. According to proponents of the Paleo diet, humans did not evolve eating dairy and grains. They thrived on what they could go out and hunt or forage which mainly means meats, seafood, eggs, vegetables, fruits and nuts - a Paleo diet essentially!
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