Originally Posted by BigJosh
I think your friend does not meet the criteria of being a natural if he cycled on and off steroids for 20 years.
BtB was referring to lean naturals, not someone like your friend who used PEDs.
No shit. If someone who has used steroids for over 12 years and trains religiously doesn't have 20" arms, then it is ludicrous to think that a lean natural would. That was my point.