Originally Posted by BendtheBar
I would love to have two groups...rank beginners and intermediates who have already gained about 15 pounds of mass but have some room left to grow.
One of the common flaws with bodybuilding is that all lifters are grouped together in one big pile. A beginner can gain doing pretty much anything as long as they work hard. But with that said, this doesn't always mean they are training in an efficient manner.
I whole heartily agree with the last statement because I have lived it. While I do not feel I experienced the typical noob gains, I did see gains even though I am self taught and have to push myself. My best strength gains have come in the past few months when I determined to end mediocrity in my life. I also made two decisions that have really helped. 1.) I have sought to surround myself with folks who have been successful at what I want to achieve. 2.) I returned to what I feel the most comfortable with, the full body, classic style training session. This is one area I have really enjoyed about this forum, the like mindedness concerning classic training.