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andys_trim 07-03-2010 03:43 PM

Re-Comp Nutrition
 
Re-Comp diet, changing the composition of your body. I have met one guy that went on this adventure and he when from being a guy that had muscle and a lot of fat to being a guy with more muscle and looking shredded. What is this miracle? I want to see a 2 week sample of a Re-Comp nutrition plan.

If this works for everyone, this must be a best kept secret in the world of bodybuilding. If any one out there has an example or knows where to find one, I am willing to be the guinea pig :rockon:

BendtheBar 07-03-2010 04:06 PM

In my opinion, losing fat and gaining muscle is an extremely hard thing to do, and is rarely a solid approach for a beginning lifter. You have to walk a fine calorie line, often staggering carbs, or zig zagging calories. For some Paleo approaches also work.

I simply do not believe that when you are in your prime you should have undereating days. I would rather see you do a long term clean/whatever bulk 300-500 calories above maintenance, or just eat and take advantage of your age and metabolism.

Most pro naturals I talk too will tell you the same thing. Get the mass first.

I know there will be some disagreement with my views. But the issues with beginners is that they generally don't know their bodies, or how their bodies grow and react to food. I do know that far too many "hardgainers" are undereating and not hardgainers at all. And from this, it stands to reason that tinkering with lower calories/carbs as a beginner can be a dangerous game if mass is your goal.

If you train hard, you can add an incredible amount of muscle in 2 years, gain minimal (under 10 pounds) of fat, and have your entire life to cut.

Just my 2 cents.

I will also add this...when you cut, you look bigger. I am not speaking specifically of this guy you know, but many guys "think" they are getting bigger as they cut because you look bigger when you shred.

Unless I see caliper readings, and accurate lean body mass measurements, I am highly skeptical that the person gained muscle. Shredding is not easy, especially going from "I have abs" to "I am freaky shredded." It's difficult to maintain all your mass.

There is no secret. The secret is that 99% of bodybuilders build mass, then shred. They have on-seasons and off-seasons. Some genetic freaks can do both at the same time - some by luck, and some by body mastery. But like I said, as a beginner, I believe it to be misguided.

At some point after you have gained a solid amount of lean muscle, and you start to look like a bodybuilder, you could experiment with carb cycling and/or calorie cycling. But quite frankly, I don't think it's worth your time. Like I said, some will disagree. So I hate to tell you what to do.

andys_trim 07-03-2010 04:13 PM

Point taken. Always looking to try new things, you know? For now, I will keep stuffing it and training hard.

On a separate note, on vacation I went out of my way to eat dirty (Ice Cream, Pizza, French Fries, and anything else you can think of). I weighed myself this morning and the weight was down at 173. A little discouraging, I would really like to get back up in the 190s. Time to get real dirty, I guess.

BendtheBar 07-03-2010 05:51 PM

You could trying running a tighter diet. Doing cycling, etc. But you will have to start counting macros, and probably taking caliper readings to gauge your progress.

I don't want to talk you out of experimenting. I simply want you to understand that the number of actual guys who can effectively do both are minimal.

sneezingstardust 07-05-2010 06:57 AM

Best "plan" I had for a recomp was carb/calorie cycling. It is difficult to gain muscle/lose fat unless you're on gear though, and for the guys/girls who manage to do it, it takes a very long time, and it's a slow process, since you won't be eating much over maintenance at all. It is possible, but unless you know your body really well it might not work out as well as you want it.


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