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Davis 02-18-2014 11:33 PM

Deadlift Training and Grip
 
For those of you who pull a lot, is there really any problem with pulling with a mixed grip all the time? Right now, and almost always have, I pull double overhand until my heaviest sets. I did this because I was told I'd build better grip strength.

My idea now: Pulling with a mixed grip will help more in the long run. Obviously, the lift changes a bit when you change your grip. Would it not be better to always pull with that "competition" grip? Thoughts and opinions?

big_swede 02-18-2014 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Davis (Post 458107)
For those of you who pull a lot, is there really any problem with pulling with a mixed grip all the time? Right now, and almost always have, I pull double overhand until my heaviest sets. I did this because I was told I'd build better grip strength.

My idea now: Pulling with a mixed grip will help more in the long run. Obviously, the lift changes a bit when you change your grip. Would it not be better to always pull with that "competition" grip? Thoughts and opinions?

I had a conversation with a friend of mine who is a massage therapist, recently. He has been working with a bunch of powerlifters (national or world level) the lasts years and he told me he could feel a difference, an unbalance, in the back muscles of the ones who trained with a mixed grip and those who did not.

Wheather or not this had any impact on their injuryfrequense, their lifts, or anything else for that matter is untold.

Myself I pull using straps on most off my heavy sets. I save my calouses for the strongman training, and also I think I can setup best using a double oh grip (straps) or hook.

skids 02-18-2014 11:46 PM

Beats me :dunno2: I pull DOH all the time, no real issue. Me pulls are pretty weak though :puke:

fenrisulfr 02-19-2014 05:48 AM

Leading up to a competition you should practice what you'll use. But for training to get stronger double overhand is the way. Invest in some versa grips for when doh grip fails so you can keep pulling doh, that or use straps.

5kgLifter 02-19-2014 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by big_swede (Post 458109)
I had a conversation with a friend of mine who is a massage therapist, recently. He has been working with a bunch of powerlifters (national or world level) the lasts years and he told me he could feel a difference, an unbalance, in the back muscles of the ones who trained with a mixed grip and those who did not.

Wheather or not this had any impact on their injuryfrequense, their lifts, or anything else for that matter is untold.

Myself I pull using straps on most off my heavy sets. I save my calouses for the strongman training, and also I think I can setup best using a double oh grip (straps) or hook.

The massage therapist's view on the unbalance was echoed by a strongman competitor that pulled overhand/underhand always with the exact same hands; he mentioned that his pelvis (I believe it was) was slightly out of alignment as a result of pulling underhand on the one side continually.

When a person uses a mixed grip, they need to swap the hands to balance out the torque the body goes through, which may go some way or a long way to maintaining balance.

If you look at some vids of people that pull with a mixed grip, you'll notice a tendency to rotate slightly in the upper body; in fact nobody can do a mixed grip without this occurring, due to the mechanics of the mixed grip.

BobbyMac 02-19-2014 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 5kgLifter (Post 458167)
When a person uses a mixed grip, they need to swap the hands to balance out the torque the body goes through, which may go some way or a long way to maintaining balance.

Exactly what I was gonna say. Although I'm also far from being in the beast club when it comes to DLs, I felt a little unbalanced doing it with one mixed grip the whole time. I switched up and at first it was weird and I was a bit weaker the opposite way but now it feels the same both ways. Glad I did it.

Cutty 02-19-2014 01:47 PM

I'm not an elite deadlifter but I've learned a bit with it.. I test my grip strength throughout my training so I know I can pull without straps but I use straps with double overhand 100% of the time on heavy sets unless I'm testing.

I think there is going to be some imbalances eventually but then again that's just the name of the game. I also trained sumo deadlifting for 5 months prior to my last meet and for my 3rd attempt I switched to conventional and it felt like speed work.

I'm learning to just trust my body and listen to it. I don't know if switching up your mix grip which hand is supinated over time helps, or if you get a bad imbalance if you use only one kind of grip.

As for training, if it's working, ride it. Honestly I don't feel that bodybuilding or powerlifting is necessarily "healthy" in regards to the stress we put on the body and what we sacrifice to get there.

linedriver465 02-19-2014 02:05 PM

On my top sets, I've switched from mixed grip (I favor under/over) to double overhand & straps. I seem to get MUCH better posterior chain engagement and my hips are less incline to twist as 5kg said. Additionally, the knot in my right shoulder (right hander here) has bothered me less and less during day-to-day activities.

Just my $0.02

Davis 02-19-2014 04:06 PM

Thanks for the replies. My right hand is always the "under" hand. My left trap seems to be bigger, but that's it as far as I know. Based on advice here, always using a mixed grip(especially with the same set up) is less optimal in the long run in terms of being balanced. I wouldn't mind hearing more opinions on the subject really. I'd like to jump on board with what's already given, but I can't just yet.

Renton 02-19-2014 04:41 PM

I've been reading up on this a lot lately and it seems like quite a few people get torn biceps from lifting with mixed grip when the weight gets really heavy. Seems like hook grip is the way to go.


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