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AdamNC 11-16-2013 11:30 PM

Skinny and Confused: Need Help
 
So here's the deal, Im 29, 5'7 125lbs, so obviously I need to gain some weight. I'm trying to make a real concerted effort to get my diet and training in line, along with consistency, so I calculated my BMR and Activity Level by the Harris-Benedict Formula. I came away with a BMR of 1498 calories. Adding the activity component resulted in a overall total of 2322 calories for maintenance. I added 500 calories to that for a total of 2822 calories. This seems relatively doable even with my small appetite.

My main question is, how should I partition the ratio of macros? I've never tried being this specific before. Anytime I've ever tried to eat more than normal I only seem to gain weight around my midsection and no where else, then I panic and stop. Y'all please don't think I'm one of those skinny guys who gained some weight and got scared cause I couldn't see my abs. I've always had a little pot belly, but now is pronounced enough to be seen through a shirt, especially in contrast to my chest that's as flat as Kansas. I eat pretty clean normally. (I bake everyting, eat alot of brown rice, potatos and vegis) Am I overreacting about the stomach? I don't know where to go from here. Any help would be appreciated.:dunno2:

Soldier 11-16-2013 11:37 PM

First off, you've come to the right place.

Unfortunately, you seem to be missing half of the picture. training! If someone like you eats 3k cals a day and doesn't have your training on point then you'll just get fat. So what does your training look like? What's the plan?

jiorio95 11-16-2013 11:51 PM

Hey, Adam. Happy you posted this because I know where you are coming from. About 2 years ago I was 5'7" 135lbs. I tried in the past to try and work out and I always followed some crazy dieting plan with a crazy workout and I just never succeeded. Right now I weigh around 183lbs. Quite frankly, I never succeeded until I stopped thinking about it so much.

Nutrition: Eat whatever you want and just make sure you are getting enough protein (1g/lbs of BW is a rough goal). Don't be scared of fats or carbs, just eat. I really mean that. Hit 3k cals, get your protein and eat like crazy. This will be the biggest source for change for you. If you need ideas to prep meals for on the go, or late night snack, high calories anything, there is so much info on the net about it. Make an effort to eat though!

Workout: I'm sorry I don't know what you do right now, but something with lot of barbell work would be my recommendation. Starting Strength, anything like that. This helped me build muscle everywhere on my body.

Mindset: I had the same feeling that whenever I gained weight it was in my midsection. It's all in your head, it was in mine as well. If you are lifting more in the gym, and eating right, you will grow. Believe in it. Before you know it people will notice the changes.

I don't want to try to oversimplify things, but for me that is what worked for me. I did the above and put my mind elsewhere, because I know I tend to over think and change things.

Get after it man, believe in it and give yourself a year and you will pick up a ton of gains.

MikeM 11-17-2013 12:00 AM

That's a lotta calculations. Maybe less calculations and more pumping iron and eating should be in order. :)

Just kidding, sort of. You want to gain weight and gain strength unless I miss my guess.

Well, you have to eat more to get stronger and to gain weight. If something is stopping you from eating more, then figure out what it is and work your way around it.

If you can't eat more, then accept that your recomposition will take some time to occur. You can still get stronger and put on some lean mass, but it will take more time.

Have a goal and a target date. For me, it's 1200 total at 198 by 50 years old. A bit over a year from now. For you it might be squat 300 at 165 lbs a year from now, or whatever. All you have to do is hit that goal. Plot a course and stick to it.

For some of us, that means lifting and eating smart to lose our fat asses. For guys like you it means lifting and eating more to gain a fat ass, so to speak.

It's all the same coin. You're just on the other side. I think it's easy to eat, hard to lift. For you, eating might be the hard part. So be it.

If you want it, go and get it. And add some sprinkles on top to boot! :D

AdamNC 11-17-2013 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier (Post 427766)
First off, you've come to the right place.

Unfortunately, you seem to be missing half of the picture. training! If someone like you eats 3k cals a day and doesn't have your training on point then you'll just get fat. So what does your training look like? What's the plan?

I've been doing the MAB Full Body Workout with a few modifications.
Monday: Squat, Close Grip Bench, Dumbell Rows, Barbell Curls, Standing Calf Raise, Abs
Wednesday: Deadlift, Military Press, Pull-Ups, Dips, Seated Calf Raise, Abs
Friday: Leg Press, Bench Press, Barbell Row, Dumbell Curls, Shrugs, Abs
(3 sets, rep goal system)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiorio95 (Post 427767)
Hey, Adam. Happy you posted this because I know where you are coming from. About 2 years ago I was 5'7" 135lbs. I tried in the past to try and work out and I always followed some crazy dieting plan with a crazy workout and I just never succeeded. Right now I weigh around 183lbs. Quite frankly, I never succeeded until I stopped thinking about it so much.

Nutrition: Eat whatever you want and just make sure you are getting enough protein (1g/lbs of BW is a rough goal). Don't be scared of fats or carbs, just eat. I really mean that. Hit 3k cals, get your protein and eat like crazy. This will be the biggest source for change for you. If you need ideas to prep meals for on the go, or late night snack, high calories anything, there is so much info on the net about it. Make an effort to eat though!

Workout: I'm sorry I don't know what you do right now, but something with lot of barbell work would be my recommendation. Starting Strength, anything like that. This helped me build muscle everywhere on my body.

Mindset: I had the same feeling that whenever I gained weight it was in my midsection. It's all in your head, it was in mine as well. If you are lifting more in the gym, and eating right, you will grow. Believe in it. Before you know it people will notice the changes.

I don't want to try to oversimplify things, but for me that is what worked for me. I did the above and put my mind elsewhere, because I know I tend to over think and change things.

Get after it man, believe in it and give yourself a year and you will pick up a ton of gains.

It's nice to know that I not the only one who's dealt with this. I do need to stop over analyzing and stressing over the process and just start eating and training. Trying to get all the meals/calories in during the day has always been the biggest issue for me between school, internship, and work. I graduate next month, so I hope this will be less of an issue in the future. I know the majority of you guys and gals aren't in fitness professionally, so all this has to be worked around life, which I hope I can get ingetrated into mine.

AdamNC 11-17-2013 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeM (Post 427770)
Have a goal and a target date. For me, it's 1200 total at 198 by 50 years old. A bit over a year from now. For you it might be squat 300 at 165 lbs a year from now, or whatever. All you have to do is hit that goal. Plot a course and stick to it.

This is something I haven't done related to training. Why I don't know, because I'm highly motivated by goals/deadlines in other aspects of my life. I guess I don't really know what would be a challenging but reachable goal by a certain time. However, if I could reach the one you suggested, that would be great.

mohiz 11-17-2013 01:04 AM

Back To Basics Part 2 Nutrition & Diet - YouTube
Jason Blaha suggests 1 g of protein per pound of (lean) bodyweight, .5 g of fat and the rest carbs. I follow that and it's pretty much good. Increase your diet 200 kcal at a time until you gain about a pound a week. When you stop gaining, increase 200 kcal more and so on.

Weigh yourself every morning on an empty stomach and log it into Excel or some other chart. Then you can see the trend line of your weight change. It's much more accurate than to just look at the numbers, because they fluctuate.

For workout may I suggest his 5x5 novice wkt. It served me well.
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/wor...novice-workout

With regard to the fat gain, for me I just stopped caring about it and let my waist increase and I still look better than when I started, because I've put on so much muscle. I think the reason is that since my chest and all that good stuff is bigger, my belly doesn't "pot" out anymore, but it's kind of even.

Fat is nothing to be scared of, it's easier to lose than muscle is to gain (or lose). Just trust me on this, I lost 45 kg of fat recently. Your muscles will remain on you perpetually, but think of fat as just a storage - like the gas tank of a car. It is transient.

Ramrod 11-17-2013 01:17 AM

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40p/30c/30f

Is a great place to start for almost anyone.

Use myfitnesspal.com or the App to track your food for a while. Just plug in the 2800 and the 40p/30c/30f and go... Goal is to pack as much food into that 2800 as you can while fitting your Macro's....

Something to help on the Gut is stay away from Soda increase your water to a Gallon a day. And pratice the Vaccum pose.. Like in BB'ing.. Don't laugh is works.

If your gut is getting to big for your liking, just reduce your Calories to maint. and cont. to workout. Once you have your AB's back Slowly increase your Calories again.

I've been near your weight before.. I'm 5'10 and was 110 going into my Senior Year. When I grad. I was 130...but I didn't weigth train and I ran track into College. After College is when I started really weight training.

From the age of 22 to 29 I was up to 190-200's when I trained like a BB. The Workout routine that really packed on the size and had decent strength was DC Training aka DoggCrapp. I also learned alot from it. The importance of Keeping a Log and how to use it. Not just write it down and never look at it again. How to actually use it to push yourself every day.

AdamNC 11-17-2013 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mohiz (Post 427779)
Back To Basics Part 2 Nutrition & Diet - YouTube

Jason Blaha suggests 1 g of protein per pound of (lean) bodyweight, .5 g of fat and the rest carbs. I follow that and it's pretty much good. Increase your diet 200 kcal at a time until you gain about a pound a week. When you stop gaining, increase 200 kcal more and so on.

Weigh yourself every morning on an empty stomach and log it into Excel or some other chart. Then you can see the trend line of your weight change. It's much more accurate than to just look at the numbers, because they fluctuate.

For workout may I suggest his 5x5 novice wkt. It served me well.
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/wor...novice-workout

With regard to the fat gain, for me I just stopped caring about it and let my waist increase and I still look better than when I started, because I've put on so much muscle. I think the reason is that since my chest and all that good stuff is bigger, my belly doesn't "pot" out anymore, but it's kind of even.

Fat is nothing to be scared of, it's easier to lose than muscle is to gain (or lose). Just trust me on this, I lost 45 kg of fat recently. Your muscles will remain on you perpetually, but think of fat as just a storage - like the gas tank of a car. It is transient.

Thanks for the tips, I checked out Jason Blahas video and calculated my macros based on his formula. It ended up being more carb dominate, which is good for me because I LOVE carbs, and they are much easier for to force down if it comes to that. I just can't eat a ton of chicken, or any meat for that matter in one sitting. In reference to the pot belly, if I could bring my chest up, like you were able to, it wouldn't be an issue.

AdamNC 11-17-2013 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 427780)
40p/30c/30f

Is a great place to start for almost anyone.

Use myfitnesspal.com or the App to track your food for a while. Just plug in the 2800 and the 40p/30c/30f and go... Goal is to pack as much food into that 2800 as you can while fitting your Macro's....

Something to help on the Gut is stay away from Soda increase your water to a Gallon a day. And pratice the Vaccum pose.. Like in BB'ing.. Don't laugh is works.

If your gut is getting to big for your liking, just reduce your Calories to maint. and cont. to workout. Once you have your AB's back Slowly increase your Calories again.

I've been near your weight before.. I'm 5'10 and was 110 going into my Senior Year. When I grad. I was 130...but I didn't weigth train and I ran track into College. After College is when I started really weight training.

From the age of 22 to 29 I was up to 190-200's when I trained like a BB. The Workout routine that really packed on the size and had decent strength was DC Training aka DoggCrapp. I also learned alot from it. The importance of Keeping a Log and how to use it. Not just write it down and never look at it again. How to actually use it to push yourself every day.

Yeah, I've been trying to increase my water intake, and stop drinking so much tea. The vacuum pose......ok......I'll give that try. As far a workout log, I take one to the gym, and started on one this forum to keep me accountable, but I need to be more consistent with it.


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