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LindenGarcia18 09-15-2013 04:45 PM

WHAT NOW?
 
So some of you will have seen my 2 month in progress pictures.

Really appreciate the kind words, youv'e boosted my confidence allot, I thought you wouldn't think I'd done very well.


As ou can see, what you said would happen about the fat gain,did.

I haven't gained any visible fat, and I'm looking better than I did before.


However I'm two months in now, and noob gains don't last forever.

Not that they'll just stop now, or even that they've stopped at all, but now that I've been at it for a couple of months, does this mean that my gains will slowly be deteriorating?

Will I now notice that in the NEXT two months, I won't have added as much muscle as I did this time 2 months into the program?

Reason I ask is because that effects fat gain. The reason I haven't gained visible fat like you said I wouldn't is because I've added more muscle than I have hat, and I have a very high metabolism because I'm a teen ager.

Obviously as you get more and more into training, and as the ,months go buy I assume those lines blur, (The ones between muscle and fat gain ratio), and the fat starts to notice.



I've been really pleased with the way things have turned out so far, in terms of the fat gain thing, and if it continues like this it'd be fantastic. I'm just not sure weather it will.

Most peoples noob gains last a year, so should I continue to not look fatter for my first year?

Or is it downhill from here.

Thanks again for the responses, meant allot :)


- Linden

5kgLifter 09-15-2013 06:26 PM

It's not all downhill from here ;)

Train smart, eat smart, just as you've already been doing and the progress should be similar. Nobody will be able to say when newbie gains cease, it's different for everyone.

You know enough now to be able to tweak things slightly, not right now but much further down the line, if you feel things aren't going the way you want them to.

Soldier 09-15-2013 07:03 PM

There are tons of bodybuilders out there who never really got fat at all, even during a "bulk". They got freagin' HUGE by slowly adding mass, and they did that by eating enough to gain 20lb in 2 months, 40lb in a year, 80lb in 5 years, and 120lb in 10 years.

It's all about consistency and letting the program work. Don't change a thing for now. Chances are that if you do things right (which you're already doing), you'll have years and years of gains to come doing exactly what you're doing.

LindenGarcia18 09-16-2013 02:07 PM

I don't know what to think anymore.

This morning I measured my waist and had gained an inch when I thought I hadn't gained any visible fat.

An inch is nothing now but if my diet is causing me to put on and inch in 2 months, thats 3 inches in 6.

6 inches in a year in a year.


I was hoping the whole idea about gaining muscle and staying the same body fat percentage like allot of teens do was going to work for my, but its not looking that way now.


Yes I can tweak as I go along, but if I am in fact gaining visible fat, I'm going to have to tweak it to some ridiculously low surplus in order that I don't,
To which then there'd be barely any point.



I just don't really know what to think now.

On the one hand I'm making good progress in terms of muscle gains, but I just can't carry on knowing I'm gaining inches almost monthly to my waist.



I was really hoping my noobie gains would take me up to a good year without starting to gain bodyfat %, but perhaps my body just doesn't work that way, which is a tremendous let down.


Of course, I don't know if any of this is correct.

There could be another explanation for gaining an inch to my waist.

I used a different tape measure before, water retention, etc;


Really I have no idea though.

I really thought I'd taken a turn for the better with this fat gain worry but I think its back.



I understand if everyone will be annoyed with me now after this post.

Yes, once again I'm banging on about fat gain.

I know I have an unhealthy obsession with it. But I was really working on that and it had gotten so much better.

Just a let down after The great responses from people yesterday.

5kgLifter 09-16-2013 02:13 PM

Different tape measure, possibly...tape measures come in several forms: the sort you use for construction, they have no give in them and you can't use them for waist measurements anyway; then there are material tapes, they CAN stretch; then there are plastic coated style tapes, they don't stretch.

That aside, are you measuring the same place each time, across the belly button, if you're slightly off your measurement area, it will make a great difference even if there's little difference...so, did you measure around the same line as before?

SCStrong 09-16-2013 02:14 PM

In what world can you make 100% lean gains? I want to live there. Linden just eat and lift - if you get fat eat a little less. If you do not grow- eat a little more. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MAN!!!

BendtheBar 09-16-2013 02:18 PM

You still aren't even past puberty. Your bones and tendons and everything else are still growing. You aren't even man-sized yet. Just because something is growing doesn't mean it's all fat.

In addition, your waist is not all fat and bone. You have back and ab muscles that are growing.

Use the mirror as your judge.

Also, you have barely tapped into gains. You have 22 to 34 months of crazy gains left. Relax. Keep doing what you're doing and stop with this "I am getting fat" nonsense.

You look 100x better than you did 2 months ago. Trust the process.

BendtheBar 09-16-2013 02:24 PM

Continuing the conversation from the shout box: you need to admit the depth of this issue and really talk to your parents. Saying you can't go on is a strong statement.

SCStrong 09-16-2013 03:54 PM

I agree with Steve on this one. LInden you need to talk to your parents and get some help. It is not normal to obsess the way that you do, over any weight gain and / or fat gain.

You will not stay cut all the time- it will not happen without chemcal assistance.

We all get older - we all gain weight- we all lose weight. Hell, even Arnold got fat at one point... it is not the end of the world.

You have made good progress keep on eating and lifting.

I don't know anything about OCD type issues but I do know that lifting and growing are not that complcated.

Difficult, yes complicated, no. Don't try to make them that way.

Trust (and enjoy) the process.

If the iron game is that hellish to you perhaps, you need to consider a new path. It is not the be all end all. It is suppossed to be fun.

Good luck and happy lifting.

LindenGarcia18 09-16-2013 05:34 PM

Right I'll explain everything you're asking me now. Please read it all, I know it'll be abit boring, but if you could get through it then I think you'd understand where I'm coming from.

When I said I couldn't go on, I was meaning with the weights, not that I was suicidal. I should've thought before I said that, I'm sorry.

I have a very happy life in general.



Now I'll get into it, hopefully you'll understand.


First, What my OCD IS, and what it Is NOT.


The type of OCD I have is known as "Pure-O" OCD.

A sub-catagorie of OCD, that is unlike the usuall ritual based OCD.

Pure-O OCD is FEAR based.

The things you fear the most are dwelled upon, questioned, re-questioned, questioned again, and obsessivly thoguht about.

Things are resolved, only to be re-thought over to start worrying again. Eventually these thoughts usually subside about that particular thing, but it can be years.
Even when that worrie is gone, theres something else ou pick up on.

It starts with a single thoguht. "what if?". Then it escellates and snowballs from there.


My biggest one, and up until just now faded one, is the fear of fat gain.

WHY I'M LIFTING WEIGHTS:

.For my confidence
.To look good
.To be physically healthy and fit
.Because I enjoy it
.For modeling and To get better modeling jobs in the future.


The benifits of lifting for me are life changing, and its very much a huge part of my life now.

Look at those bullet pointed reasons as to why I lift weights.

NOW. Add FAT GAIN onto each one of those sentences.


.Confidence: Getting fatter than I was before would makemy confidence plummet.

.To look good: Looking noticably fatter primarily in my face, een if I had more muscle, would in my opinion make me look worse.

.To be healthy and fit:.Looking fatter, BEING fatter, doesn't make me anymore healthy, and certainly not anymore fit, even if I had more muscle.

.Because I enjoy it: I wont be enjoying it if I look fatter. If I'm not looking better, then My motivation wont be there and I wont be enjoying it anymore.

.For Moddeling: I couldn't even BE a moddel anymore if my face started getting fatter.


LOOK at how lifechanging it'd be for me, if I got visibly fatter.

What does Pure-O OCD lock onto? WHAT YOU FEAR THE MOST!


I'd lose all my confidence, my job, I wouldn't look good, I'd be depressed, I'd feel unfit, etc; etc;


I hope that makes you understand somewhat as to WHY this is such a massive deal to me.

I'm trying to do something that will EXELLAERATE AND ENHANCE all of those points.

But at the same time. It could destroy them all. All because of fat.


WHAT MY OCD IS NOT

I spoke with Steve about a month ago about my fears.

He suggested I speak to my parents, and go to see a professional. Which I did.


She diagnosed me with text book OCD,, and I'll be seeing another therapist for some treatment in the following month.

I don't ignore you're advice Steve. I never will, remember that. I do listen to you.


I know allot of you think I'm going to develop or already have developed and eating disorder.

I haven't.

I do not believe I am fat. Nor do I believe I will ever get actually "FAT". I'll explain about that later on.


I don't know about you guys but I've never seen an anorexic person on a calorie surplus,.

If I was anorexic or had an eating disorder, I'd think I was fat. Not fear that I might, while I ate nearly 3000 calories a day and lifted weight 4 times a week.

This is OCD. I've been diagnosed, and I can guarantee it.


Something else to remember: Some of you will recall the Blood Clot fear I had, and still have to a degree.

Again, I had a huge fear of dieing in the night due to deep vein thrombosis. Sounds insane, but yes.

I'd research and ask questions, obsess over it ALL THE TIME. Its the exact same thing as the fat gain worry.


MODELING JOB

A you'll know this is one of the big ones, and I wanted to point out something thats been mistaken.


I know I wont get "FAT". Of course I wont. Like BtB always says, no teen gets fat from eating 3000 calories of clean foods.

My fear is of putting on visible fat. I'm quite clearly not going to get, overweight, but the fear is I'll start becoming NON-AESTHETIC

That I just wont look good anymore.

I'll look pudgier, and my face will lose its definition.



WHERE I'M AT NOW:

I HAD come quite a log way in terms of the worrying.

I'd eaten on a surplus, trying to ignore the fear, and lifted how you told me.


However, its cropped back up.

The good point is its not half as bad as it was before.

Remember when I wouldn't even start eating on a surplus because I was so afraid?

I've managed 2 months of carrying on anyway despite my fear, and trusting you guys, and the process,

and now I've had a blip.

It can be rectified though.


I think its best form to realize straight off that there will be blips where I remember this fear I have, until it goes away for good.

I'm hoping you guys can guide me through it though. It doesn't mean I have to ever stop lifting.

The fear is there, but I try to push through it because I trust you. Like I have done for the past 2 months.


Yes, there's been blips along the way, and yes, heres yet another one, but youv'e helped me every time, and it works, even if momentarily it allows me to just carry on and try to ignore it.


I'm not Ill. I just have this crappy OCD to deal with, and I CAN deal with it, with you're help.


THE GOAL

What Steve told me.


I don't need fat loss, I need MUSCLE.


The reason my physique isn't the way I want it is through lack of muscle.


Idea is that I carry on gaining weight, usng my noobie gains, my age, my test levels, and matabolism to my advantage, and end up the same or lower bodyfat than I started off with.

Thus adding quality muscle, while maintaining the difinition in my face, and not getting any visibly fatter, just moe muscular.


Fat gain is inevitable of course, but as Steve says, adding 30 pounds of muscle, and only 15 pounds of fat will make you look 100 times better than you did originally, and for me hopefully result in me keeping to same or lowing my body fat % slightly.

AS LONG AS I DON'T GET VISIBLY FATTER, I DON'T CARE ABOUT BODY FAT %.



Weather tat will actually happen to me or not is where the fear edges its way into what youv'e said.


Not that I don't believe you, or that I don''t listen. I totally understand the process you've been trying to get me to understand.

It just comes back to the fact that OCD Latches onto the things you ear the most. And it can make the truth seem blurry, even though I'm having expert advice from you, telling me it'll be ok.

Its causing me to question everything. I can't help that.

But you can help me, and I can help myself.


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