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jopp 09-04-2013 06:11 PM

Wraps
 
Whats Your opinion? I am young so I don't have knee pain but what we would be a good point to start weight or age?


BendtheBar 09-04-2013 06:13 PM

It's a long road. I started using nothing and it caught up to me. I say start now. You don't need to use a heavy wrap. You can use a RDC wrap, which I talk about in one of my recent videos.

A little support will help down the road.

I used to live with wrist, palm and hamstring strains. Even with just a little support they went away.

Each sport should allow for a reasonable degree of protection for the lifters. That is why I am pro-wrap.

jopp 09-04-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BendtheBar (Post 404758)
It's a long road. I started using nothing and it caught up to me. I say start now. You don't need to use a heavy wrap. You can use a RDC wrap, which I talk about in one of my recent videos.

What is a good website to get wraps from?

Soldier 09-04-2013 08:01 PM

I second getting a less hardcore wrap and experimenting with it. I love using wraps just because they straight up let me lift more weight. I don't have any knee pain either, never have, but when I really want to move some weight I put them on and go to town.

That being said, I'm at a point in my training where my goal is developing size in my legs instead of moving as much weight as possible, so I rarely use wraps anymore, and never use my more hardcore Titan THP's.

Soldier 09-04-2013 08:06 PM

Andersonpowerlifting.com and liftinglarge.com are two sites I have experience with, both good sites. Elitefts makes and sells their own wraps, but I can't vouch for them.

Honestly, the main wraps I use these days are generic wraps from roguefitness.com. They have Velcro which means you can't use them for meets, but they're SO MUCH easier to use for training. I put them on fairly loose and it really helps me rep out with heavier loads.

5kgLifter 09-04-2013 08:17 PM

Have a question about knee wraps which may be relevant: I read that in some cases, I suppose due to the way they're put on or maybe just circumstances (not sure), that the wrap against the knee can cause knee issues.

Something to do with the pressure of the wrap against the knee in the position that the knee is in, therefore making it more prone to injury...now, I know that most or a lot don't suffer injuries from wearing them, so I'm curious as to the views on this.

Has anyone come across a knee injury caused by knee wraps at all?

evilinmotion 09-04-2013 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 5kgLifter (Post 404782)
Have a question about knee wraps which may be relevant: I read that in some cases, I suppose due to the way they're put on or maybe just circumstances (not sure), that the wrap against the knee can cause knee issues.

Something to do with the pressure of the wrap against the knee in the position that the knee is in, therefore making it more prone to injury...now, I know that most or a lot don't suffer injuries from wearing them, so I'm curious as to the views on this.

Has anyone come across a knee injury caused by knee wraps at all?

That kinda makes sense but I think it will be more in the high rep range...

5kgLifter 09-04-2013 08:53 PM

I took a quick look around and found this, for discussion mainly, and because it relates to knee wraps, it makes sense to place it in this thread as well:


In chapter 4 of the NSCA textbook on biomechanics, here is what it says about knee wraps.

"It is not unusual for individuals to use knee wraps during training or competition. The wraps vary from thin, elastic, pull-on variety [to me this means sleeves] that can be purchased in drug stores to the heavy, specialized wraps sold only through weightlifting supply stores. . . Very little research has been done on the efficacy of knee wraps. Detrimental side effects have been reported, however, including skin damage and chondromalacia patellae, the wearing down and toughening of the posterior surface of the patella.

Though there is no available evidence that wraps protect the knee against injury, an experiment conducted by Harman and Frykman showed that wraps can improve performance. Through a spring effect alone, heavy wraps around the knees added an average of 25 pound to squat lifting force. The notion that warps work only by stabilizing the knee, lessening the athlete's fear of injury, or providing a kinesthetic cue is incorrect. The wraps actually provide direct help in extending the knee. On the basis of lack of evidence that knee wraps prevent injury and the opinion of a number of health practitioners who assert that knee wraps can actually cause injury, athletes should probably minimize the use of wraps. If used at all, knee wraps should be limited to the sets with the heaviest loads" (86-87).



http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f13...s-etc-1992463/


There's a bit more of a discussion there on it if anyone wants to read it further, but I think the general consensus is that they're not an issue.

I've yet to read of anyone that has had issues caused by knee wraps, as in I haven't read of anyone here or on other forums mention such problems which makes me wonder where the health practitioners come across their info....though that may be because they see more people, in general anyway, so they're bound to come across someone that has had an injury to the knee but that doesn't necessarily equate to it being the result of the knee wrap either; sometimes, doctors assume the cause, IMO. It could easily be the case that people that have had the knee issues were prone to them anyway and skin damage may be related to high reps as Evilinmotion suggests, possibly due to the time they've had the wraps on or even by those that omit to remove them and let the blood circulate, especially if new to lifting and not being aware of the need to remove them periodically etc.

Just a thought.

J_Byrd 09-06-2013 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Soldier (Post 404780)
hardcore Titan THP's.

That's a loose wrap haha.

Beverly McD 09-06-2013 08:02 AM

I believe wrapping a knee protects it when done properly.
The problems usually happen when a lifter pulls the kneecap to the side while wrapping.
Then the kneecap is out of position and the wrap locks it in while out of alignment.


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