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Trevor Lane 06-01-2013 06:55 PM

Saturated fat does not cause heart disease!
 
Heart surgeon speaks out on what really causes heart disease -- Health & Wellness -- Sott.net

A courageous doc finally says what most of us know.

glwanabe 06-01-2013 07:54 PM

I'll get back to this when I have the time.

However,

You mean wheat isn't the super food that is being marketed as the cure for hunger in the world and passed on to billions as a way to help end starvation?

Wheat is the sawdust of the food kingdom.

bamazav 06-01-2013 09:30 PM

Good Article/letter. Just glad I didn't have to go through years and years of school and 30 years of surgery to reach the same conclusion.

Tannhauser 06-02-2013 05:33 AM

Doubtless the establishment was trying to silence him when his license was revoked for malpractice:

http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/l...order_2008.pdf

Revoking the license does not seem to be on the basis of one isolated incident:

Quote:

'Dr Lundell has a ten year disciplinary history with the board. Prior PACE evaluations, additional CME on record-keeping, and probation have not helped him avoid the similar acts of professional misconduct that were found in this case.'
Normally I would argue that none of the above has any bearing on the quality of his argument. However, in this case, part of his evidence rests on his testimony as a heart surgeon, and so anything which challenges that credibility needs to be taken into account.

Tannhauser 06-02-2013 05:41 AM

Just to add, here's a link to 'The National Council Against Health Fraud' website (appears to be a sort of offshoot of Quackwatch, and therefore firmly in the enemy camp as far as high-fat enthusiasts go).

Consumer Health Digest, September 22, 2011

Quote:

De-licensed surgeon peddling questionable theories. Dwight C. Lundell, M.D., who lost his Arizona medical license in 2008, has been promoting books that clash with scientific knowledge of health disease and prevention. His central premise is coronary heart disease is caused by inflammation and that lowering cholesterol levels will not lower the risk of heart attacks or strokes. Instead, he advocates a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet, low-dose aspirin, and fish oil and conjugated linoleic acid supplements for everyone. Lundell's offerings are promoted with the statement that he has performed more than 5,000 operations during 25 years of cardiothoracic surgical practice. But they fail to mention that between 2000 and 2008, he was subjected to five regulatory actions by the Arizona Medical Board and in 2004 he was also convicted of wilful failure to file federal income tax returns for the years 1992 though 1996.

From 2007 through May 2010, Lundell was listed as an advisor to NourishLife, a company that markets vitamins, fish oil supplements, and conjugated linoleic acid supplements as "pharmaceutical grade" products claimed to help children with speech problems. The Truth About Heart Disease Web site, which promotes his book, The Great Cholesterol Lie, invites people to become "members" by paying $47, $77, or $245 per month for access to additional information. The highest membership category is said to include access to private consultations with Lundell, but the site is not currently taking new members. Quackwatch has additional information about Lundell's background and activities.
Again, none of this in itself discredits his arguments, but it's always good to know the background of people offering health advice, and any potential conflicts of interest.

fenrisulfr 06-02-2013 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glwanabe (Post 370160)
Wheat is the sawdust of the food kingdom.

I almost spit my coffee out reading this.

Trevor Lane 06-04-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tannhauser (Post 370246)
Just to add, here's a link to 'The National Council Against Health Fraud' website (appears to be a sort of offshoot of Quackwatch, and therefore firmly in the enemy camp as far as high-fat enthusiasts go).

Consumer Health Digest, September 22, 2011



Again, none of this in itself discredits his arguments, but it's always good to know the background of people offering health advice, and any potential conflicts of interest.

As he himself states, disagreeing with the establishment often results in being discredited and even accused of malpractice. I would venture to guess that a more appropriate name for the "Council Against Health Fraud" could easily be renamed the "Council to Punish Doctors who Don't Tow the AMA/FDA/USDA Line."

Tannhauser 06-04-2013 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevor Lane (Post 371170)
As he himself states, disagreeing with the establishment often results in being discredited and even accused of malpractice. I would venture to guess that a more appropriate name for the "Council Against Health Fraud" could easily be renamed the "Council to Punish Doctors who Don't Tow the AMA/FDA/USDA Line."

Well, you may be right Trevor, but bear in mind that's the line that every one in his position spins. And not every guy who 'fights the system' is a visionary who is being punished for his beliefs. Some of them are incompetent, frauds, or just plain wrong.

To give you an example, there was a documentary on TV here last night about a doctor in the US offering a unique cancer treatment. He claims it works, but the bulk of the evidence is against him. Families are paying $100,000 for treatments for their kids, and there's only very limited evidence that they do anything other than give massive side effects.

He too claims he is persecuted by the establishment for speaking out. Now Dr Lundell may not be the same sort of character at all, but the point is it's standard practice to play the persecution by the authorities card.

I don't think anyone would have their license revoked for talking about different dietary practices...in my reading of the pdf I posted it seems to be directly to do with persistent lack of appropriate care of patients, resulting in at least one death.


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