Chaos and Bang

[BendtheBar]

LIFT-RUN-BANG: Chaos and Bang

Elite standards for RAW

Paul: So talk to me about what you think about the classifications for being raw elite. There are a few different ones, so which ones are you talking about? The one I use are the old USPF standards. I will have to look it up but I know for 242 it's 1890.

Jamie: Which one is this?

Paul: The old USPF standards.

Jamie: I'm looking at the raw unity ones. Those make sense to me. The 100% raw are nonsense to me.

Paul: So you think the 100% raw and AAU suck.

Jamie: The raw unity ones make sense, the elite cut off is 1609 for 181. So 1857 for 242 for you.

Paul: Yeah and the ones I go by are even higher. It's the old USPF standard. 181 is actually 1642 and 1890 for 242.

Jamie: And that makes much more sense. And I don't udnerstand how a guy can even train for the sport and classify himself as elite with the other ones. But these make much more sense to me.

Paul: For me, I know anything over 1800 at 242 and anything over 1900 at 275 is great.

Jamie: Yeah.

Paul: And for you, anything over 1600 at 181 is phenomenal. So kind of a general ballpark, 1700 for 198, at 220 1750, 1800 for 242, and 1900 for 275. 2000+ for 308 and over. And I think that most of these are going to fall in that ballpark of needing the relative strength percentages that we talked about before.

At this point Jamie and I talked about how Ed Coan was built like a mailbox, and how funny it is that people take pro-hormones but still claim to be natural.

[Off Road]

At this point Jamie and I talked about how ... people take pro-hormones but still claim to be natural.

I've laughed about that for years. You might as well take the real stuff, at least they're safer.

[BendtheBar]

Jamie: I'm looking at the raw unity ones. Those make sense to me. The 100% raw are nonsense to me.

No talk of natural versus AAS. They do look like crap compared to open elite standards. 100% Raw is a natural fed.

If we are going to talk standards, just as with natural bodybuilding, they have to be placed in a proper context.