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Old 10-13-2011, 11:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Can someone explain this to me. I am confused. Bill Starr says:

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The main points to keep in mind on the back squat are to go very low, stay extremely tight throughout the movement, and do not rebound off the bottom.
Rippetoe states that rebound is part of the squat correct?
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Can someone explain this to me. I am confused. Bill Starr says:



Rippetoe states that rebound is part of the squat correct?
Eh, not everyone agrees on this particular part. You'll find a lot of big names that say do it, and a lot that will say not to do it.

Honestly, I always rebound (especially on heavy weights) and have never had any negative side effects from doing so. My knees were always healthy when I squatted. It was just this bum-ass hip of mine.
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As per Wendler, "bombing down" with heavy weights and rebounding is fine provided you stay tight through this. If you can't maintain the tension though, then don't go down fast and rebound.

My $0.02 -- Starr, I think, says this because many trainees lose the "tightness" on rebound. Rip on the other hand says rebound is fine, implicit assumption being you rebound only if you can maintain the tightness during the process. IMO Wendler puts it very clearly.
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I wonder if that quote is taken a bit out of context? Maybe they were each referring to using squats for a different purpose?

I used to rebound all the time, but now I'm trying not to. My theory is that when you rebound you use more hamstring, but if you don't, you use more quad strength. So far I haven't noticed a whole lot of difference weightwise, but it's early in the experiment, yet. I do know I feel more in control and smooth when not rebounding very much (if at all), as opposed to sort of getting that bounce and kind of pausing slightly partway up where the legs kick in and push it on up. However, I'm not always sure about depth going with no rebound, but with rebound it is rock bottom for certain.

Maybe it's just personal preference as everyone is a bit different?

Anyone know more about this? Am I totally off base?
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I personally don't think anyone should do this until they have form approved by someone who knows squatting.

I rebound on my big work...80% plus. Or when I am going for high reps.
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I personally don't think anyone should do this until they have form approved by someone who knows squatting.

I rebound on my big work...80% plus. Or when I am going for high reps.
I'm the same way.
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I rebound on my big work...80% plus. Or when I am going for high reps.
Good to know! Thanks.
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If your not "rebounding" to some extent, your really limiting the weight your able to push. Nothing wrong with it as long as you keep tension on your hamstrings/glutes and keep the lower back in a neutral position (no rounding). Also the rebound/bounce should be generated from the stretch and a bounce off the calves.

The stretch reflex is trainable and will aid a lift... use it. That said, it won't hurt to incorporate some paused squatting to work the opposite end of the spectrum.
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