The reason oldtime strongmen routines are key

[Trevor Lane]

Originally Posted by BendtheBar

Most of the important aspects of training I've learned have been from the old school naturals.

I mentioned this to Glwanabe...sometimes it's easy to forget that these old school guys had decades of knowledge and experience behind what they were doing.

Today the natural game is much different. Many young naturals try to train like their enhanced counterparts. While this can be, and is effective, it definitely waters down the reality of what works best for most naturals.

Well, I was expanding this to all facets of life...i.e. - go to any store when the computer/cash register system is down and try to buy something and see how well the clerk can:
1. calculate your total puchase
2. add sales tax
3. make change

If they're under 30, they most likely have NEVER practiced old school 'rithmatic.

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by Trevor Lane

Well, I was expanding this to all facets of life...i.e. - go to any store when the computer/cash register system is down and try to buy something and see how well the clerk can:
1. calculate your total puchase
2. add sales tax
3. make change

If they're under 30, they most likely have NEVER practiced old school 'rithmatic.

Very true.

My wife and I have rules about going through drive-through windows. We always check the order and check the change. A good portion of the time (maybe 5-10%) we actually get back more money then we are owed. And a good portion of the time we are given back less then what we are owed.

But in either case, if you present this to the person in the window, they often look like their heads will explode as they perform mental math.

[CoopDawg]

Originally Posted by BendtheBar

This is one of the things that I think actually helped me quite a bit. I pretty much just had me and the weights. I had to piece together my own training split based on body feedback.

No one needed to tell me that the squat was king. I kind of figured that out because it kicked my a$$. And no one needed to tell me to add weight to the bar - I thought that was the point.

One thing I'm really thankful for is that I didn't have the burden of OCD macronutrient counting and the pressure to eat all clean, all day. I'm also glad no one told me to train for mind-muscle connection, or any other number of bull**** ways to train.

I can't stress this point enough...most routines on the net are not optimal for beginners. Most lifters didn't make most of their gains on the programs they now use. I don't say that to put anyone down...its simply a reality.

Programs get complicated when gains slow down.

Simple is always better, especially as a beginner.

great points BTB i see this thread is picking up some nice comments

[MMA Max]

Originally Posted by CoopDawg

The oldtime strongmen such as reg park and the big and bad paul anderson didnt have supplements and steroids. What they did have were their wits about themselves, motivation, milk, honey, weights, the heart to push that extra rep, and their proven routines that work. Im just writing this to go with some of the great rants about how the old routines still work. Any routine that worked 50 to 60 years ago when growth enhancement came from hardwork and puberty(no supplements or steroids) obviously are key when starting to put on mass. Im not saying supplements are bad some are great but these guys used nothing more than food and their motivation. Reg park is one of the best since I found this site i have been reading reg park articles left and right. If anyone looks at his physique and thinks I want to be that big let ME POP SOME PILLS AND SHOOT SOME JUICE thats not even close to the point of me taking the time to admire the oldtime greats. So basically to say today the same ethics stand hard work, determination, an adequate routine, and good food will prevail over any supplement. I know we all know the ones im talking about whos first question is not whats the best plan i should take its always (what supplement should i take to gain). Reg park should always be followed. The older routines that worked and still work today should always be kept around. Thats what i like about this site BTB understands the older routines still work mentality as i do. I am following reg park as we speak.
Hope this was useful to read. Its not for ppl such as gl,rick,btb you guys know this its just a good read for maybe a lifter whos only maybe worked out once and dying for gains.
Thanks,
Coop
Hope the readers enjoy reading this and its not boring/stupid

I don't know about all that they did not have steroids stuff , Steroids can be traced back to 1931.

[CoopDawg]

Originally Posted by MMA Max

I don't know about all that they did not have steroids stuff , Steroids can be traced back to 1931.

I researched and never seen anything of that sort. But of course i could be wrong. Good looking out max. And sorry for the dispute between me and kman in your log the other day.

[MMA Max]

Anabolic steroid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Log - I can't lie, I was a tad pissed off that you guy's ran flame war's in my log but it's cool. Keep it legit here..

[CoopDawg]

Originally Posted by MMA Max

Anabolic steroid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Log - I can't lie, I was a tad pissed off that you guy's ran flame war's in my log but it's cool. Keep it legit here..

I didnt start it brotha you know how that is.

[MMA Max]

Word!

[glwanabe]

The wicki article on AAS is one account of the issue.

Dr. Casey Butt has written a history of AAS in sports. I'll see if I can find it.

Cliffs: It was not until the mid to late 1950's that they were first tried for sports performance enhancement. This did not prove fruitful for the US athletes who subjects in the trial. It was early to mid 1960's that BB started employing them was some success.

Let me see if I can find the article.

[CoopDawg]

Originally Posted by glwanabe

The wicki article on AAS is one account of the issue.

Dr. Casey Butt has written a history of AAS in sports. I'll see if I can find it.

Cliffs: It was not until the mid to late 1950's that they were first tried for sports performance enhancement. This did not prove fruitful for the US athletes who subjects in the trial. It was early to mid 1960's that BB started employing them was some success.

Let me see if I can find the article.

Gl your always helpful bro