Chaos and Pain Training Discussion

[jdmalm123]

Originally Posted by BendtheBar

My shoulders have always disliked isolations. They took quite a beating in my teens from pitching about a thousand innings a year...we had a playground across from my house. Whenever I do too maybe laterals or flyes, I start to feel a bit rough.

And I'm not sure what my issue is with curls, but too many sets and my tendinitis flares up quickly.

I am mentally like Mulder...I want to believe in isolations...but physically I am Scully...I've never really used them, and have a hard time seeing the value.

I hope no one reading this equates my sentiments as meaning "they have no value". I just - personally - see no value in them.

But if they helped my joints, I'm sure I would use them for pre-hab.

Yeah, tiny variations in your joints can really make high rep iso's a bad thing...you know well enough to do what works for you.

Have you researched tendonitis vs tendonosis?

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by jdmalm123

Yeah, tiny variations in your joints can really make high rep iso's a bad thing...you know well enough to do what works for you.

Have you researched tendonitis vs tendonosis?

No...I have never heard of the latter.

[jdmalm123]

Originally Posted by BendtheBar

No...I have never heard of the latter.

In some senses, they are synonyms, but as I use it, tendonosis is when tendonitis becomes chronic (which can also mean it surfaces anytime you do something that triggers it).

I'll PM you a link...

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by jdmalm123

In some senses, they are synonyms, but as I use it, tendonosis is when tendonitis becomes chronic (which can also mean it surfaces anytime you do something that triggers it).

I'll PM you a link...

Thanks. I'll look for it.

[Bodybygamma]

Originally Posted by BendtheBar

I added in more bicep work, a forearm exercise, rear laterals, calf raises, and leg curls. My joints are utterly beat up right now, and my elbow tendinitis is coming back. My curl form is locked down, so it's not a form issue.

I have found that my joints feel better when I avoid isolation work. I know this sounds counter-intuitive, but when I stick with basics/compounds my joints feel great.

My biceps kill me if I do too much direct work. Same with anything, I been doing so much compound work my body doesn't heal enough for me to get into much isolation work, at least nothing heavy but who cares since compound movements will make you stronger even on isolation movements but the same for isolation is not as true for compound. Mix it up, do what works, kick what doesn't. It doesn't make sense to stop deadlifting squating overhead and bench pressing just so I can do some heavy curls and two armed db tricep extensions, when I know I can lift heavy isolation if I wasn't doing heavy compound, risk verus award for strength isn't worth it. Total body > parts of the body always.

[jdmalm123]

Originally Posted by Bodybygamma

My biceps kill me if I do too much direct work. Same with anything, I been doing so much compound work my body doesn't heal enough for me to get into much isolation work, at least nothing heavy but who cares since compound movements will make you stronger even on isolation movements but the same for isolation is not as true for compound. Mix it up, do what works, kick what doesn't. It doesn't make sense to stop deadlifting squating overhead and bench pressing just so I can do some heavy curls and two armed db tricep extensions, when I know I can lift heavy isolation if I wasn't doing heavy compound, risk verus award for strength isn't worth it. Total body > parts of the body always.

I completely agree...but...

Biceps act as a stabilizer for a heavy bench. I have concluded that my current shoulder injury is a result of not enough direct bicep work (or, not enough balance between my biceps and pressing...)

I was noticing my right bicep trying to tell me something on my heavy benching. When I jumped the weight up, my right arm struggled to stabilize the weight...since the bicep attaches at the shoulder, when the weight was too much for my bicep to stabilize, my shoulder lifted reflexively (to relieve the straining bicep) and I partially separated my AC joint (thankfully, minor, but it's been bugging me for months).

So, direct biceps? In the rotation, but not a matter of "always vs never."

[kman025]

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this is C&P's diet. doesnt this seem like little food?

just wondering what you guys think.

to me it just seems that he'd need more than this

(in know way trying to talk ****, the man obviously know what hes doing)

[Bodybygamma]

Originally Posted by kman025

ChAoSandPAIN - free online diet and fitness journal

this is C&P's diet. doesnt this seem like little food?

just wondering what you guys think.

to me it just seems that he'd need more than this

(in know way trying to talk ****, the man obviously know what hes doing)

435.3grams of protein 3,000 calories, low carbs of 50 ratio, he is prob cutting or thats how he stays lean.

[kman025]

Originally Posted by Bodybygamma

435.3grams of protein 3,000 calories, low carbs of 50 ratio, he is prob cutting.

i guess so.... some of the days were as low as 2600-2700 cals. just thought thats super low, maybe not?????, especially for all the muscle he has

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by jdmalm123

I completely agree...but...

Biceps act as a stabilizer for a heavy bench. I have concluded that my current shoulder injury is a result of not enough direct bicep work (or, not enough balance between my biceps and pressing...)

I was noticing my right bicep trying to tell me something on my heavy benching. When I jumped the weight up, my right arm struggled to stabilize the weight...since the bicep attaches at the shoulder, when the weight was too much for my bicep to stabilize, my shoulder lifted reflexively (to relieve the straining bicep) and I partially separated my AC joint (thankfully, minor, but it's been bugging me for months).

So, direct biceps? In the rotation, but not a matter of "always vs never."

I actually get bicep pumps from benching when taking creatine. I really have to point and nothing to add other then this.