CNS Burnout
 

I want to bring up the topic of CNS burnout. So much is said of CNS burnout, and I think it's the least understood training-related factor.

What do you believe causes CNS burnout? Is CNS burnout overblown?

Is training to failure bad for CNS? Slow negatives? Training above 90%?

"Over-reaching" is actually a training technique used in dual factor training. They fatigue themselves "over the line", and then allow that fatigue to rescind, and come back stronger. This has been used by Eastern Block countries for decades.

Are these guys insane? Or is CNS overload allowed as long as you deload?

This is a great topic, but not one I believe we can come to a conclusive decision. Everything I've seen points that there is no scientific data on such as this.

With that said, I do believe it's possible, but maybe I'm confusing overtraining with CNS overload (?). Perhaps it is over-blown. Again (?)

[I've basically said nothing in all that above LOL]

I think the effects of over-training are caused by CNS overload. I think they're in the same boat.

I think that what we view of as over-training is hard to achieve. With that said, I don't think a natural should go anywhere near the tipping point.

The hardest training I do is 90% plus powerlifting movements. It is hard on me for extended periods of time.

When I drop down in reps, my body seems to handle it much better.

Speaking of reps, I prefer higher reps (with great form) for the majority of my workout. IMO it puts you in more of a cardio mode while shredding the muscles. I do on compound movements however, do a PL type of set.

But back to the subject at hand. I think there is some overlapping, but in my pea brain I've always pictured them being separate...but realize this could be wrong.

CNS in my mind is like what is green here and overload could be dealing with pain, repair, & recovery (?):
http://www.yachigusaryu.com/blog/pic...3/image007.jpg

From what I've read, most all rep ranges (6-20) are solid for getting stronger. There's a study done by "Carpinelli" on the site where he analyzed other studies rep ranges, and found they are all good for strength gains, but that lower reps are the worst as far as injury potential.

This flies against Westside and many powerlifting routines.

When I was at my strongest (400+ bench), I was training in the 6-12 rep range.

Totally agree with that statement! Its a lot harder then people think to reach true muscular over-training, espically from lifting weights. When I think muscular over-training, I think of extremes like really long marathons or tour de france. Where you are just going and going with hardly any rest at all.

As far as cns burnout, I dont think I have ever heard a definitive answer on it. IMO I think it's because it's hard on the body from the hormonal changes that take place from adaptation and recovery. I remember reading a study that said psychological burnout or over-stimulation can also be a big factor as well. Since the brain influences glands that release testoterone, cortisol, etc I could see how that could have a major impact.

And Rick I agree with you on the high reps. I love lifting heavy, but looking back I made my biggest gains lifting in the 8-12 rep range. But I know some people grow really well with lower reps than that.

When bodybuilding training, I only remember over-training once. I was doing a 3 days on, 1 day off routine in my early 20's. It was an Arnold style, and about 90 minutes a day.

I think after 3-4 months on this routine, I felt like I needed a break.

If took me two months to reach meltdown, even on one of the worst possible routines for a natural.

I used to run 8-10 miles every few days. I did not just get up one day and do it. I had to start with getting the first mile down. Then I did two, then three, five, and so on. Finally I could run 8 plus miles and feel great after a run.

It's the same thing with your CNS, in regards to weight training. It's being trained to handle the workload, just as your muscles are adapting to the stress.

Periods of low rep high intensity work will push your workload capacity up. When you reset back to a higher rep plan, it is like shifting gears again, and your cruising.

IMO.

Very good conversation gentlemen.

Good thread. So if the CNS can be conditioned, does anyone believe low reps are the answer? I'm trying to sort this out. From what some of you said, low reps are harmful over the long haul.