John Broz's Unofficial Powerlifting Method.

[mab54]

Originally Posted by gaspers04

Really, the average joe couldnt do a true max bench 3x a week over period of time before reaching a point of counterproductive. Once again Im no expert and never will I claim to be.

True, but I just never found benching to be that taxing. (maybe because I suck at it) I could see myself over a few months working up to a daily max a few times a week with it though if I keep other pressing to a minimum.

Edit: I'm not saying it would be a great idea, but I could see it producing some gains. One might also have to think about things like elbow and shoulder sleeves.

[gaspers04]

Three times a week at near 500 would make my shoulder cry and fall off....lol

[Trevor Ross]

Originally Posted by gaspers04

Really, the average joe couldnt do a true max bench 3x a week over period of time before reaching a point of counterproductive. Once again Im no expert and never will I claim to be.

Pre-hab work is a must if you're going all out frequently.

[Off Road]

Originally Posted by BendtheBar

I have found that floor deadlifting more than 1x a week didn't work for me. I needed to use variations, even if they were low rack deads. Right now I am experimenting with infrequent floor pulling, but frequent pulling. Working well so far.

I've had a similar experience too. Although you are way ahead of me in the amount you pull, I was able to finally break the 500 barrier.

[big_swede]

I tried this as a beginner and It beat me to the ground. Not for beginners but if you learned your body and recovery abilities well enough Its a fun way to train. I agree with btb on using different deadlft variations and I would also change a squat day for frontsquats.

[Fazc]

Originally Posted by Trevor Ross

Pre-hab work is a must if you're going all out frequently.

Although Trevor, I would agree with Gasp on this and just point out that it's a "daily max" rather than a true maximum. A daily max is anywhere from 85=90% of a true maximum. For Gasp that would be 425 to 450, now I'm sure Gasp could manage that twice a week for at least a couple of weeks. Once that's established we build up from there.

You know my training style, I bench at least 3 times a week now and usually now 4 BUT it's ESSENTIAL that you know how to manage this intensity to make it work.

I think it's a great idea and Broz has done great things for opening up the minds of lifters but I think it's also just as wise not to jump off the other end of the pier either and just go all out. Not go from infrequent training to all out max frequency. Some precaution, build-up and gradual conditioning to this more frequent approach is necessary to allow you to take advantage of it.

This type of approach is what I'm talking about when I talk about lifters putting in the work and patience in conditioning to allow themselves to do productive routines.

[Trevor Ross]

Originally Posted by Fazc

Although Trevor, I would agree with Gasp on this and just point out that it's a "daily max" rather than a true maximum. A daily max is anywhere from 85=90% of a true maximum. For Gasp that would be 425 to 450, now I'm sure Gasp could manage that twice a week for at least a couple of weeks. Once that's established we build up from there.

You know my training style, I bench at least 3 times a week now and usually now 4 BUT it's ESSENTIAL that you know how to manage this intensity to make it work.

I think it's a great idea and Broz has done great things for opening up the minds of lifters but I think it's also just as wise not to jump off the other end of the pier either and just go all out. Not go from infrequent training to all out max frequency. Some precaution, build-up and gradual conditioning to this more frequent approach is necessary to allow you to take advantage of it.

This type of approach is what I'm talking about when I talk about lifters putting in the work and patience in conditioning to allow themselves to do productive routines.

Providing that you avoid the injury bug, wouldn't the routine itself condition you?

[Fazc]

Originally Posted by Trevor Ross

Providing that you avoid the injury bug, wouldn't the routine itself condition you?

Generally in my experience, if you were to maintain the intensity but increase the frequency as Broz is suggesting then no it wouldn't. Even the Bulgarians whom Broz trained under didn't approach training like that, it was titrated in an upwards trend.

If you were to start light then sure that's a different matter. In Gasp's example once again if he were to attempt 350 for each of his 3 x weekly bench sessions then I could see it working. Taking a couple months to go from 350 to 425 (daily max) as a working weight, with frequent deloads done in between would work. Then over time up that some more.

EDIT - Just to clarify i'm all for frequenct benching, hell I'm benching heavy 4 times a week at the moment. I guess all I'm trying to say is that it takes some time and knowledge of how you respond to stuff to make it work. Otherwise you might regress/get injured and be another in the long line of people who proudly proclaim "didnt work for me! only works for easygainers!".

[Trevor Ross]

I'm doing these exercises in a Push/Pull split in an (A/B/C/D/A/B)(C/D/A/B/C/D) 8 sets of 3. I'm doing not bad so far, we'll see how I hold up. I'm on week three now.

Bench press/Reverse grip bench press
Barbell row/Underhand row
Press behind the neck/Press
Pull up/Chin up
Deadlift/Sumo Deadlift
Low bar Squat/High bar Squat

[Fazc]

That sounds great Trevor, how many days a week are you training?