Meat, Fruit & Veggies

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by glwanabe

eggs are a perfect food. I eat a lot of eggs.

Will you buy me some eggs?

[glwanabe]

I've got a roasting pan full of short ribs braising right now. Come on over for dinner.

[MattB]

I think this diet would be benficial for the average joe that doesnt want to really count macronuitrients or calories. However IMO just because you are eating fruits and veggies as your carb source will not lead to leaner gains. For the most part it is the overall carbohydrates and calories for the day and week. As long as enough fiber is taken in from the carbohydrates and they are not all sugar(I like a 1:4 ratio of sugar in the carb source) it doesnt matter. 150 calories from fruit is still 150 calories from whole grains. Also what about fructose not being all that efficent at restoring glycogen levels? I would much rather something else taken or added pre/post workout. I am not down playing the importance of fruits and veggies in the diet at all!

[MattB]

Originally Posted by BendtheBar

So how do you feel on loosening the tight restriction on lean meat to make it more cost effective? I'm not saying shovel meat fat, but rather purchasing fattier cuts of meat to save money...

Steve their is a study that showed you can actually wash the beef with hot water and a strainer that you are cooking and greatly reduce the fat. I will find the study and post it for you, I have it on my laptop somewhere. I have been using this method for probably over a year with great results(Used it during my prep). I just cook my beef, rinse as the directions say, put it back in a pan and add seasoning.

[MattB]

Originally Posted by Grim83

It would allow for alot of lean gains, when i was trying to gain i would always ramp my fat intake to crazy high levels, because it is a huge part of hormone production, also recently even though i have been eating less than normal, a bit under maintenance, i have noticed some muscle gains, as long as you keep your lifting progressive, you will get bigger

Watch how high you raise you fat intake. Studies have showed that once you get above about 30% of your calories from fat you start to lose the benefit!

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by MattB

Steve their is a study that showed you can actually wash the beef with hot water and a strainer that you are cooking and greatly reduce the fat. I will find the study and post it for you, I have it on my laptop somewhere. I have been using this method for probably over a year with great results(Used it during my prep). I just cook my beef, rinse as the directions say, put it back in a pan and add seasoning.

That sounds interesting. I generally eat mostly ground turkey or beef, and turkey and beef patties, but lean ground beef is really the cost culprit for me. I also eat tilapia, tuna, and chicken, of course, but those foods get somewhat boring for me.

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by MattB

I think this diet would be benficial for the average joe that doesnt want to really count macronuitrients or calories. However IMO just because you are eating fruits and veggies as your carb source will not lead to leaner gains. For the most part it is the overall carbohydrates and calories for the day and week. As long as enough fiber is taken in from the carbohydrates and they are not all sugar(I like a 1:4 ratio of sugar in the carb source) it doesnt matter. 150 calories from fruit is still 150 calories from whole grains. Also what about fructose not being all that efficent at restoring glycogen levels? I would much rather something else taken or added pre/post workout. I am not down playing the importance of fruits and veggies in the diet at all!

I understand completely your point of view. That's one of the reasons I started this thread - to look at the viability of this diet as a mass builder. I have never tried gaining mass on anything other then a calorie surplus with heavy carbs, but - stubborn as I am - wanted to look at the viability of other possible approaches.

But then I see guys like C&P eating differently, which begs the question that started this thread.

I would like to take some trainees who lifter for a year, have about 15 to 20% bodyfat, and put them on this style of diet for 6 months (with proper training supervision).

[swoleramon]

What determines more how much muscle you gain from hard training, is it the diet itself or how many overall calories you take in?

On a higher calorie diet with moderate fat intake, most of the calories would come from protein and carbs.

[Naberious]

I like (so far anyway) using a hybrid Keto/Paleo diet... The keto allows me to eat higher fat, due to burning fat rather than carbs, but also limits how many carbs you can have a day if you want to stay in Ketosis... (30g carbs/day or so)

It's essentially the same a Paleo diet, just allows you more food options as long as you keep down the carbs.

Ketosis diets are the principles that the Atkins and South Beach diets are based upon. These diets, however, are made for relatively sedentary people who may do some light exercise here and there... However for bodybuilding it's important not to stay in this state indefinitely. Carb "refeeds" are a must...

Here is a good post on the subject, pretty straightforward and easy to understand

CKD - Cyclical Ketogenic Diet

[thumpinos]

Originally Posted by Naberious

I like (so far anyway) using a hybrid Keto/Paleo diet... The keto allows me to eat higher fat, due to burning fat rather than carbs, but also limits how many carbs you can have a day if you want to stay in Ketosis... (30g carbs/day or so)

It's essentially the same a Paleo diet, just allows you more food options as long as you keep down the carbs.

Ketosis diets are the principles that the Atkins and South Beach diets are based upon. These diets, however, are made for relatively sedentary people who may do some light exercise here and there... However for bodybuilding it's important not to stay in this state indefinitely. Carb "refeeds" are a must...

Here is a good post on the subject, pretty straightforward and easy to understand

CKD - Cyclical Ketogenic Diet

This approach sounds more reasnable to me. I would hate to cut out eggs, cheese and milk and foods like that. I don't eat much of them, but liek BTB said, lean meats are expensive.