Matt Kroc takes the heavyweights at NPC Mr. Michigan

[Grip-N-Rip]

Apologizes to you all. I did jump to conclusions.

[jslep]

Originally Posted by kman025

people on AAS train harder than non juicers

easy kman......i wouldn't go that far! training is per individual either juiced or natural. a natural heavyweight has got a long road to get there. i take nothing away from any of them it takes extreme dedication to attempt to get on stage at any point natural or gassed.

[kman025]

Originally Posted by jslep

easy kman......i wouldn't go that far! training is per individual either juiced or natural. a natural heavyweight has got a long road to get there. i take nothing away from any of them it takes extreme dedication to attempt to get on stage at any point natural or gassed.

the reason behind that statement is:
-aas users can and usually do train with more volume.
-they use heavier weights, which mentally is hard to get under a heavier weight day in and day out.

still eiither way people can kick some ass

[DocColossus]

I was going to comment on KMan's post about being roided, but then decided maybe I was misreading it as well... But I will say the general tone of this site seems to put down the dark siders, myself formerly being a member of that society...

Just disappointing is all..

[Maiar]

I read it as him just saying that he doesn't look like some users do, like a lot of pro's with their bulging stomachs etc.

[jslep]

Originally Posted by DocColossus

But I will say the general tone of this site seems to put down the dark siders, myself formerly being a member of that society...

Just disappointing is all..

i think that has a lot to do with lower #'s on this site of guy's that use. for me personally if it were easily available to me like from someone i know personally i would be all over it and have thought about over sea's deliveries many times but don't want to risk a bunk or controlled shipment. i would rub guy's a little for cycling but i would not look down on them at all. and i think some of the tone you might get here is lack of knowledge of how a real cycle could be beneficial and harmless.

[jslep]

Originally Posted by kman025

the reason behind that statement is:
-aas users can and usually do train with more volume.
-they use heavier weights, which mentally is hard to get under a heavier weight day in and day out.

still eiither way people can kick some ass

i got what you were sayin i just don't think cause you can move more weight you are working harder. be it volume or sheer lbs. if a noob can only bench a 100 lbs for 5 reps for 3 sets and he's cashed then he has worked HIS body just as hard as someone with years of experience and supplementation and aas experience when they burn out. i guess to me i find it more relative to where you are at. such as yourself kman i wouldn't say a guy on the gas is giving more effort in the gym at increasing his bench than you are.

[BendtheBar]

Since this is a hot topic, I created a steroids discussion thread...

http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/pro...nt-thread.html

[kitarpyar]

Originally Posted by DocColossus

I was going to comment on KMan's post about being roided, but then decided maybe I was misreading it as well... But I will say the general tone of this site seems to put down the dark siders, myself formerly being a member of that society...

Just disappointing is all..

I think BTB hit it spot on in his thread. Nobody's putting down dark sider, it takes a big leap to get there and it ain't a magic potion either - plenty of hard work put in by them and much respect for that.

It's just that when users claim to be forever clean, folks get pissed off. If you use it, why not just say you use it (like you admitted to it's usage earlier).

Again, looks to me lot of pro-roids folks become too defensive the moment roids get mentioned. kman's post was perfectly innocuous. All he said was Kroc looked good, it was a compliment not an insult, but a few people took it otherwise initially at least. It's almost as if anyone who is not against roids start feeling that anyone who mentions roids is putting them down. That just isn't the case.

[Grim83]

Originally Posted by DocColossus

I was going to comment on KMan's post about being roided, but then decided maybe I was misreading it as well... But I will say the general tone of this site seems to put down the dark siders, myself formerly being a member of that society...

Just disappointing is all..

I have to agree with kitar here bro, its not that the majority of the folks here are against users or whatever, its just a user will look totally different from a natural you know. Personally i couldn't care less if someone uses i just prefer that they be honest about it, but at the same time i understand why most arent