Natural Limits versus Steroids

[chess315]

the best way in my opinion for a natural to look good bulk up as much as possible cut to about 10% then clean bulk back up to 13 or 14% if you want a more massive look

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by chess315

the best way in my opinion for a natural to look good bulk up as much as possible cut to about 10% then clean bulk back up to 13 or 14% if you want a more massive look

Sounds like a good approach.

[chess315]

u cant be catabolic while your natural I actually am pretty much just as big natuarl the sports kill my body though

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by chess315

u cant be catabolic while your natural I actually am pretty much just as big natuarl the sports kill my body though

You CAN be catabolic when you're natural. This has been studied over and over again. After about one hour of training, workouts become catabolic.

Overtraining reduces bodily testosterone levels, and makes it extremely difficult for naturals to gain muscle.

Long, high volume workouts are bad for naturals. They are good for steroid users because test levels don't drop.

[RickB]

Originally Posted by MuscleandBrawn

You CAN be catabolic when you're natural. This has been studied over and over again. After about one hour of training, workouts become catabolic.

Overtraining reduces bodily testosterone levels, and makes it extremely difficult for naturals to gain muscle.

Long, high volume workouts are bad for naturals. They are good for steroid users because test levels don't drop.

I agree 100%! There are also foods that increase estrogen which can be anti-anabolic to some extent.

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by RickB

I agree 100%! There are also foods that increase estrogen which can be anti-anabolic to some extent.

You've got that right brother. The Warrior Diet book taught me a lot about that.

I would also like to add that 60 minutes is just a guideline. Some guys can lift for 90 minutes or more without ill-effects...especially younger guys, because they have higher test levels.

But to say naturals can't be catabolic, well, that's just...

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Ur all CATACLYSMIC!

[beam]

I can't do more than 1hr maybe 1hr15 on gear.

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by beam

I can't do more than 1hr maybe 1hr15 on gear.

I find that as long as I'm not resting longer then 2 minutes between sets, I can get in all the sets I want.

I imagine if I was running gear, I might have a little more energy to limp pat 60 minutes

Maybe not...I have such a mental block.

I give you credit for going that long.