Can fat people have good conditioning?

[MVP]

Originally Posted by TitanCT

uhm no Shelby is talking about Keto. He is a bodybuilder and one of the most knowledgeable people with nutrition, period.
BTW, Atkins is pretty much the same thing as Keto. high fats and proteins, low or no carbs....etc. etc.

Keto and Atkins are not the same thing.

Keto involves carbs, atkins is completely stripping carbs.

Lyle McDonald is also very knowledgeable about nutrition. Ever heard of him?

FYI. the first 10lbs or so of weight loss in keto, is water. so dont get all excited. But, hey, go ahead and suffer, I'll carb cycle, keep my sanity, cut faster, hold more muscle mass, and be over here smiling while you keep arguing over nutrition and nutrition related questions you should already know about, since you're certified. =0 )

I'm not even going to bother with this post since it was unnecessary and more along the lines of an attack than an argument.

This thread has died down, but since you don't have nutritional facts to back up your argument you attack someone for getting certified? Cute.

Grow up.

[BigPoppi]

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The calorie theory was proven wrong by Adolf Fick, MD over 130 years ago...the calorie "theory" gives a measure of heat to proteins, fats and carbs. The problem with that is the human body is not a heat engine. We are chemical factories. That's why the obesity epidemic.

We have been told to eat a 40% carbohydrate diet since the food pyramid was first created. Oh, they changed it to 20% a couple of years ago because they realized they had been turning everyone diabetic. it was not widely publicized because it would open up a wave of lawsuits.

Fat can only be stored when insulin is produced. Insulin is only produced when consuming carbs. The definition of insulin is, its a fat storage hormone..

As to the fats containing the measure of 9 calories, who cares. It is physiologically impossible to store body fat from consuming natural fat. There is also no saturated fat in artery and is used for energy by the body.

Butter is used directly for energy. Textbook of Medical Physiology, pg. 843

Excess carbohydrate [more than 4-5 ounces] prevents the body from burning fat and increases stored body fat. Textbook of Medical Physiology, pgs 871, 936; Basic Medical Biochemistry - A Clinical Approach, pgs 24, 394

Glucose NOT body’s preferred energy source; fatty acids are. Basic Medical Biochemistry - A Clinical Approach , pgs: 29, 145, 203, 272, 357

Eating carbohydrate SLOWS METABOLISM; fat and protein digestion increase metabolism . Textbook of Medical Physiology, pg. 908

[BendtheBar]

Big Poppi,

MVP hasn't been around in a long time. Good first post. Hope you will consider sticking around.

If he plagiarized you in any way please let me know. I will change the quote and give you credit.

[Tannhauser]

Originally Posted by BigPoppi

It is physiologically impossible to store body fat from consuming natural fat.

Why? Purely on evolutionary grounds, it seems incredibly unlikely we would have evolved such a counter-productive physiology.

Fat storage mechanisms are there in mammals because they help survive periods where food is scarce. For any omnivore it would be incredibly inefficient to be unable to store energy from the most calorific of the macronutrients - i.e. dietary fat. A hunter-gatherer who could not convert natural dietary fat into body fat would be at a massive disadvantage compared to one that could.

Also, other mammal species seem to put on plenty of fat from eating fat e.g. cats, dogs and bears - minimal carb intake, high protein/fat intake. I suppose you could argue it's the protein, but again, why would mammals evolve such a strange metabolic quirk?

While we might find it easier to convert some foodstuffs into fat than others, the marvellously versatile human body can surely store all three.

If you ate 9000 kcal/day of whey and nothing else, and expended only 2000kcal, you would store fat.

If you ate 9000 kcal/day of potatoes and nothing else, and expended 2000kcal, you would store fat

If you ate 9000 kcal/day of butter and nothing else, and expended 2000kcal, you would store fat.

If we couldn't store fat from anything that provides excess calories, we'd never have made it through the ice-ages.

[Trevor Ross]

Watch an MMA fight with Roy Nelson in it. That'll answer your question.