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Dork McSchlorp
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Also always lifting to positive failure in the 10 rep range is not the way to build muscle. I did that for years and made little progress. But once I started powerlifting and started doing lots of max singles and rarely doing sets of more than 6 reps, my muscle growth exploaded. Personally I think it's important to LIMIT how often you reach failure. I can see there are time where there could be benefit from doing slow reps as described ( ie 2 seconds concentric and 3 second eccentric ) but I've also had lots of success with training dynamic effort. Stating to ALWAYS do 5 second reps is a little rediculous, IMHO.
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I've overtrained once (at the age of 21) - on a 3 on, 1 off push/pull/legs split. I was doing about 25-30 sets per work for about 4-5 months, including a load of squatting and rack deads each week. Even then, I would consider that overtraining experience minimal. I am like a freak and slept like a bear, and after 3 days I got back on the same program.
With that said, I've learned to annihilate a muscle in about 6 to 8 sets in my old age. I don't think I could do 30 sets for a muscle if I tried. Nothing against guys who train with greater volume. To each his own. I just like destroying my body in as few sets as possible. Personally, I don't believe in an excessive amount of slow negatives with heavy weight. Take bench press for example, the body is meant to push the weight away, not slowly lower it. Slow lowering is not a natural movement. By "slowly lowering", I'm talking about excessive slowness. On top of this, eccentric stresses kill the CNS first and foremost. I am a firm believer that once the weight gets heavy, you allow the weight to determine the eccentric. Sure, eccentrics have been show to be instrumental in muscle mass, but with heavy weight, all eccentrics become difficult anyway. So therefore, heavy weight creates heavy eccentric stress naturally. Now, as a caveat, I think you can train to failure and use eccentrics to some degree if volume is minimized. DC training is a good example of this. DC doesn't have you doing 8 exercises per bodypart. At least with DC you get in, destroy, and get out.
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One of my good friends takes maybe 1 day off a week from the gym. He is one of the top 10 biggest guys that lifts at gold's. And he is only 19. He only takes protein powder, and is jacked. For him, I don't think overtraining exists, I on the other hand am on a 2 on 1 off for now until my knee gets healed up. I hate training for high reps (10 and up) I did it for 6 months and didn't make a ton of progress. When I got on here I started lifting heavy and made progress, put on muscle, and got stronger. I like to lift heavy weight for just a few reps.
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