Does a pump= growth

[Grim83]

This is a question i have been thinking about recently, but i wanted to get the low down from a source who i truly respect, and one who wouldn't just rehash some bro science. This led me to Layne Norton, and he has always been one of the nicest guys i have ever emailed in this sport, so here was his response to my question.

well i don't know if the pump itself really causes hypertrophy; no one is sure if there is a cause/effect relationship, but a pump ensures that enough work is being done over time so that metabolic byproducts are accumulating near the muscle (the pump itself is actually occlusion of blood flow, not increased blood flow, and the occlusion causes build up of metabolic by-products) this build up of lactate, IGF-1 and other factors is thought to contribute to hypertrophy, but the mechanisms are far from sorted out

[BendtheBar]

I know these things to be true for me:

A) More weight causes hypertrophy.
B) I need not train near failure to gain muscle.
C) I need not go for the pump to gain muscle.

Can the pump cause hypertrophy? Possibly. Any form of intense effort with heavy weight can usually do the trick.

[Grim83]

Originally Posted by BendtheBar

I know these things to be true for me:

A) More weight causes hypertrophy.
B) I need not train near failure to gain muscle.
C) I need not go for the pump to gain muscle.

Can the pump cause hypertrophy? Possibly. Any form of intense effort with heavy weight can usually do the trick.

my point was for the guys who train solely for the pump

[RickB]

I believe it can. Have you ever noticed a bicyclists legs? They are usually out of proportion to the rest of their body. I doubt they are squatting heavy, but I don't know that for sure.

[Grim83]

Originally Posted by RickB

I believe it can. Have you ever noticed a bicyclists legs? They are usually out of proportion to the rest of their body. I doubt they are squatting heavy, but I don't know that for sure.

well i mean i know that their are some benefits to it, which is why i will occasionally include some pump training in my cycles when im not focusing on just getting stronger.

[BendtheBar]

Originally Posted by RickB

I believe it can. Have you ever noticed a bicyclists legs? They are usually out of proportion to the rest of their body. I doubt they are squatting heavy, but I don't know that for sure.

That's a great point. Cyclists and speed skaters have better thighs then most naturals. That's a post all to itself...does it speak about legs and volume work?

...And Grim83...I believe that the pump can mean growth but it has to be couple with a relatively heavy weight. And the rules are the same for plumpers, er pumpers...they have to have some form of heightening training intensity.

[AthleteCreator]

Toss in professional sprinters too.

Although, I'm willing to bet they're doing quite a bit of squat work.

[kman025]

Originally Posted by AthleteCreator

Toss in professional sprinters too.

Although, I'm willing to bet they're doing quite a bit of squat work.

A long time ago, before i realiaed the magazine mens health (or mens fitness??) was gay, i read an article about sprinting. It was showing how, although now-a-days sprinter wieght train, sprinters from the past still had huge legs.

this contributes nothing to the point of the thread, just saying.

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also with cyclist, if you look at the legs of past cyclist there legs dont look as big. Now many modern cyclist use wieght traing as well as sprinters

[Grim83]

Originally Posted by BendtheBar

That's a great point. Cyclists and speed skaters have better thighs then most naturals. That's a post all to itself...does it speak about legs and volume work?

...And Grim83...I believe that the pump can mean growth but it has to be couple with a relatively heavy weight. And the rules are the same for plumpers, er pumpers...they have to have some form of heightening training intensity.

if i add some pump work its after i have done some heavy basics and tried to get stronger

[bwys61]

it can, but it doesn't mean growth