a modern natural at an average height around 5'10 competes at 210 or so that would gives him an offseason weight of around 230 that is still a damn big man considering he will still be farily lean proably around 11% or so like a natural has a lot more trouble holding weight and being lean at the same time I have see bid men that no absoulty nothing about roids or even diet weigh about 260-270 at 20% bf or actually proably lower.
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