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Old 12-19-2011, 04:50 PM   #231
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Best of luck Silverback. Hope this serves you well.

My only advice is to not overthink or overwork your deloads. I have been doing virtually nothing on deload weeks and tearing up PRs. Not advocating this for you, of course, but it does speak volume about how well the training weeks have been working.
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Well it's a lot of talk, to someone reading this I'm sure it may appear frivolous but I have other reasons why I enjoy this thread; partly it's because I enjoy the discourse with Btb, Pull, Tann and the others and partly because it makes a pleasant change to talk about my own training rather than advise people on theirs.
It's good stuff, I keep dipping into it. I like the way that you and BTB are trying to thrash a successful approach out analytically.

I think that whilst there's sometimes a danger of 'paralysis by analysis, in general powerlifters are too far over on the 'no analysis' side. There's a tendency to believe that just sheer hard work will get you moving forward, rather than this being only part of the equation.

I've been active on four lifting sites: this one, sugden, powerliftinguk, and ironaddicts. Sugden is great socially, but there's generally little serious discussion of how to gain strength. Powerliftinguk was a bit of a tumbleweed forum. Ironaddicts was great so long as you agreed with everything Wez (RIP) said. But MAB is getting to be an incredible resource for articles, thanks to Steve's relentless effort, and, as noted above, there's some great discussions going on.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:46 AM   #234
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It's good stuff, I keep dipping into it. I like the way that you and BTB are trying to thrash a successful approach out analytically.
Absolutely, although it may not appear like it but a lot of this really is just spotting trends rather than making predictions based on conjecture. My original brush with loading/unloading was done from looking at my past training logs and spotting patterns or injury/illness. What I'm beginning to do here is spot trends on a larger scale by necessity, over 6 weeks and perhaps more. I don't believe I would be where I am now, in terms of having this level of strength, drug-free if I hadn't thought deeply about how to get here.

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It's funny you say that this is something I've thought for years by and large in comparing UK sites to US sites. The UK lads, especially the older ones tend not to engage in anywhere near the amount of chat about lifting even when talking on a lifting site. It's very much, as you say, based on the banter and social aspects. The US lads seem much more drawn together by the actual subject. There are quite a few stark and interesting contrasts actually not just limited to lifting weights, I find the whole thing interesting.

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Best of luck Silverback. Hope this serves you well.

My only advice is to not overthink or overwork your deloads. I have been doing virtually nothing on deload weeks and tearing up PRs. Not advocating this for you, of course, but it does speak volume about how well the training weeks have been working.
Thanks brother, I try not to overthink my deloads as usually I am in great need of them...LOL
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I've been active on four lifting sites: this one, sugden, powerliftinguk, and ironaddicts. Sugden is great socially, but there's generally little serious discussion of how to gain strength. Powerliftinguk was a bit of a tumbleweed forum. Ironaddicts was great so long as you agreed with everything Wez (RIP) said. But MAB is getting to be an incredible resource for articles, thanks to Steve's relentless effort, and, as noted above, there's some great discussions going on.
Glad you feel that way. Hopefully we can keep this momentum up and keep the forum heading in the right direction.

One of my goals was to keep this forum from becoming dogmatic. I think we are doing a god job, though I know some of the bodybuilders don't always feel comfortable here. I do hope that changes.
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Absolutely, although it may not appear like it but a lot of this really is just spotting trends rather than making predictions based on conjecture. My original brush with loading/unloading was done from looking at my past training logs and spotting patterns or injury/illness. What I'm beginning to do here is spot trends on a larger scale by necessity, over 6 weeks and perhaps more. I don't believe I would be where I am now, in terms of having this level of strength, drug-free if I hadn't thought deeply about how to get here.
This has been an enlightening process for me. The mechanics of programming is something I am really passionate about and this discussion has come at a good point for me. Having been raised on only Weider propaganda, I spent the last 3 years exploring fullbody approaches, strength systems and doing a lot of personal experimentation.

Despite all this, my strength gains were stalling and few options were working. In the past I had dismissed more frequent lifting, but in a fit of madness last year decided to train fullbody 5 days a week. I learned a lot about what my body could handle, given a reasonable amount of attention to volume.

I hope we can keep this going. I am very motivated right now to see exactly where this can take us.

I will also add that because of this discussion I am now able to better flesh out how I view training evolution for the beginner to intermediate lifter, and am rethinking a lot of programming on all levels.
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:43 AM   #238
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With tonight's training I'll have trained 9 times this week. The light sessions take around 20 minutes in the morning before breakfast. I've been doing a strict Overhead Press, Paused Squat and RDL, the latter two mainly just to stretch the muscles out.

I'm considering for the next block to do something else on the alternate mornings. I was thinking something along the lines of Snatch, Power Clean & Push Press, Power Clean and Power Jerk. Again all lightly done for about 3 doubles to begin with. To make a total of 12 sessions per week.

I was also thinking the mornings may be a good place to add in some Chins as well, it's been apprx 9 weeks with no specific upper pulling or bicep work so that would probably be a good idea.
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I admire guys that can take it to the next level and break out of the box. I tend to stick with the tried-and-true and only tinker with different stuff. It's fun to see a couple of guys advanced enough and brave enough to try something totally different.
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This has been an enlightening process for me. The mechanics of programming is something I am really passionate about and this discussion has come at a good point for me. Having been raised on only Weider propaganda, I spent the last 3 years exploring fullbody approaches, strength systems and doing a lot of personal experimentation.

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I hope we can keep this going. I am very motivated right now to see exactly where this can take us.

I will also add that because of this discussion I am now able to better flesh out how I view training evolution for the beginner to intermediate lifter, and am rethinking a lot of programming on all levels.
that's why you'll be a great resource for me for a long time.
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